Belt driven Generator for Right Hand Drive Canadian cars -- when was it used?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 10:13 pm:

Alex sent me an e-mail asking, “Do you have any knowledge of what months/years the generator mounting bracket T622 that placed the generator on the left side of the Canadian engines for belt drive when used with the RHD chassis?”

Searching Bruce’s Parts CD did not turn up a 622 for either a part number or a factory number for anything related to the engine or generator.

Below is the small amount of information I could locate. Hopefully someone will have a 1920 and 1921 Canadian price list of parts that hopefully will show those parts. Or even better yet, an original car that has that belt driven generator installed.

The only place I found a good reference was the Aug, 1920 Canadian Owner’s Manual – Overseas Edition which shows the LHD car with the normal USA style starter and generator but the RHD car with the generator on the left side of the engine and belt driven. That picture is shown below:



On page 137 of “The English Model T Ford” book by Riley, Lilleker, & Tuckett it shows the same illustration which Peter Kable from Australia provided them (or at least the fan blades and the carb adjustment along with everything else appears in the same place). But they also have another photo provided by Peter showing an actual picture of the set up from the front of the engine. The write up indicates it is a 1919 starter engine and that after a year or so Ford Canada changed to the redesigned RHD steering bracket that allowed the generator to be placed on the same side as the LHD cars.

I looked in the Australian Price list of Parts effective Oct 1919 but I did not see any starter parts or generator parts offered – to include the starter hogs head was not available. The RHD steering bracket was listed as part # 3539RB (same as Jul 20, 1922 Canada Price List) but it had a different Factory # 1824B (which included the bushing).

I looked in the Jul 20, 1922 Ford Canada Price List of Parts and it shows part number 5119 for the Generator with the spur gear drive. But it is the only generator listed and is for 1919 to 1922 (the price list is the 1922 version). There was no mention of the belt driven generator. Under Cylinder front cover it has 3009B 1909-1922 for non-starter and 3009C for the starter type listed 1919-1922. But we know they produced the other type of front cover it was shown in the photo on page 137 of “The English Ford Model T Ford”. The Jul 20, 1922 Ford Canada Price List of Parts also listed the Right Hand car steering bracket as 3539RB with the Factory # 1881 and listed it for 1911-1922

From Bruce’s Price List of Parts CD. The 1920F below indicates the reference is to Ford’s factory catalog dated 1920. Note for all of the ones shown below they did not have a part number listed only the factory numbers.

Factory # - reference - years used --- description
TT-1824 1920F 1918-19 Steering gear bracket, RHD. Malleable iron
T-1824A 1920F 1908-10 Steering gear bracket, RHD. Malleable iron
T-1824B 1920F 1911-19 Steering gear bracket, RHD. Malleable iron
T-1881A 1920F 1908-10 Steering gear bracket, RHD. Repairs
T-1881B 1920F 1911-19 Steering gear bracket, RHD.

I also checked some of the other information I have. Gordon Sylvester’s very original 1919 Canadian touring car does not appear to have any place on the engine or hogs head for a starter or generator. I looked at Kevin Mowle’s article “Only in Canada” that had two nice examples of 1921 open cars (touring and roadster) and they both were left hand drive so not much help and had the generator in the normal location.

So does anyone have information on an existing RHD Canadian produced car that has the belt driven generator on the left side? Does anyone have information on when Ford of Canada used the belt driven generator on the left hand side and when they changed the RHD steering bracket to allow them to put the generator back on the right hand side like the USA cars and LHD Canadian cars? Comment, “The English Model T Book” on pages 135 – 136 point out the American Managers of Ford UK took the poor choice of only offering LHD cars from Oct 1919 to Jan 1923 – which did not help UK sales at all. But how long in 1919 to 19?? did Ford of Canada offer the belt driven generator and when did they introduce the new RHD lower steering bracket that allowed the generator to clear the steering column?

I believe Alex' estimate of late 1919 is correct -- but does anyone have some evidence to support or correct that time frame? And did it go into 1920 and if so any idea how long into 1920?

Repsectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Martin, Sydney, Australia. on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 10:20 pm:

Hap,
One sold on ebay today I think.



Peter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 04:11 am:

From Memory the bracket was used in 1920 to 1921 a short time. I wrote an article with pictures of a belt drive generator which was published in the Vintage Ford but looking at the VF index its not listed. Previously the question was asked by John Olsen in Victoria Australia and he was able to get a picture and some info from Ford Canada but they had no details of the years (see VF Vol 14 No 2)

I have a 1920 Ford manual which has on the front of it is a glued on note From Ford stating

STARTING MODEL
The Starter illustration shown herein shows the generator on the right side of the engine for Left hand Drive Canadian cars

In Australian models the generator is mounted on the left hand side of engine and is belt driven. So its possible that this is an Australian only part hence the non mention of it in Canada.

It appears that our laws rejected the Left hand drive car at that time so this set up was done so the electric start could be sold. In Canada at the time some states were left and some were right hand drive still so they probably just sold left hand drive models as they did in England.

It didn't take long for the Canadian factory to work out the answer so that the Generator could be driven from the camshaft gear and it appears that the belt drive was not too good as the belt was not up to driving both fan and generator as the load was too high.

I will have a search for the article in the Vintage Ford but if anyone finds it first can they post where it is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 04:13 am:

From Memory the bracket was used in 1920 to 1921 a short time. I wrote an article with pictures of a belt drive generator which was published in the Vintage Ford but looking at the VF index its not listed. Previously the question was asked by John Olsen in Victoria Australia and he was able to get a picture and some info from Ford Canada but they had no details of the years (see VF Vol 14 No 2)

I have a 1920 Ford manual which has on the front of it is a glued on note From Ford stating

STARTING MODEL
The Starter illustration shown herein shows the generator on the right side of the engine for Left hand Drive Canadian cars

In Australian models the generator is mounted on the left hand side of engine and is belt driven.

So its possible that this is an Australian only part hence the non mention of it in Canada.

It appears that our laws rejected the Left hand drive car at that time so this set up was done so the electric start could be sold. In Canada at the time some states were left and some were right hand drive still so they probably just sold left hand drive models as they did in England.

It didn't take long for the Canadian factory to work out the answer so that the Generator could be driven from the camshaft gear and it appears that the belt drive was not too good as the belt was not up to driving both fan and generator as the load was too high. The belt has a tensioner and I'm sure the fan bushing would have collapsed quickly with the tension needed to stop the belt slipping.

I will have a search for the article in the Vintage Ford but if anyone finds it first can they post where it is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Heffey on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 06:17 am:

Peter Martin (or others). Did you see how much that bracket sold for on Ebay?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Martin, Sydney, Australia. on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 06:25 am:

Andrew,

I think it was about A$ 225.00

Peter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce McCalley on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 08:20 am:

There is a secrion covering this belt-drive geneator, with data and photos in my Ecyclopedia CD.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:49 pm:

Just when you think you've seen it all! Had no idea such a thing ever existed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 10:26 pm:

I spent a while looking and searching tonight for more information in the "Vintage Ford" as well as Bruce's CD. But I was not successful in locating anything new. If someone locates where to look (magazine date or where in the CD) please let us know. I searched on Kable, generator, and found some interesting information -- but not about the belt driven generators.

Does anyone know of any surviving examples in Canada?

Also did the e-bay auction have additional photos? If so, would someone post the auction number or photos or at least let us know which e-bay (US, AU, other?).

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 10:51 pm:

I remember Peter Kable's article in the Vintage Ford (don't ask me which issue) and was surprised at this peculiar method of generator mounting. I think the article was more concerned with RHD drive or Australian cars rather than generators, so that may help in the search.
Question is, why was it done this way, and why for such a short time?
All the Australian cars I've seen (not 1920 models)have the generator in the normal place and I know the mounting must be the same because the repro gaskets from the U.S fit the part that holds the generator on the side of the block.
So what changed? I can only imagine something to do with the steering column being in the way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 03:32 am:

Hi

Here are some pictures below of another plate in more detail. NB there is some damage around the oil filler.

Also note the generator to accompany this plate-of particular interest is the lengthened ammature shaft.

Also note pictures below of Canadian 14 Sept 1919 (casting date) which is the cast in non starter type. Compare this to the USA Blocks which according to Bruce's 'The Car that Changed the World' - "In June 1919 all engines were built as starter type but used blanking plates at the starter and a different casting at the timing gear on non-starter cars."

This seems to me to indicate that Canada continued the use of non starter blocks later than the USA due to issues with the RHD steering bracket and the inability to fit a genrator along side the steering bracket. So for a very short period of time (I.e. until this bracket was changed)electic equipped cars used this generator plate to get around the issue with the bracket.

There were a number of steering bracket changes for Canadian cars.

3539RB Steering post bracket with bushing for right control cars 1911-23

3539RD Steering post bracket with bushing for right control cars 1921-25


This seems to indicate that Electric cars prior to 1921 would have required this plate?? Refer picture below from 1st Dec 1929 NZ Model T Parts Price List
















Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 04:44 am:

Here are a few pictures of the bracket assembled
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 04:53 am:

For those wondering about the change in the bracket.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 06:46 am:

Alex, I think your theory is probably correct.

Its been 30 plus years since one of these brackets was found, questioned and pinned down. I've kept a look out for information but its sparce.

First a question does the Sept 14 1919 block have a "made in Canada" cast mark or is it or one thats ground off or blank? If its a USA cast one then the ones being sent to Canada were still supplied to use in the RHD cars after June 1919.

There does not seem any point in sending blanked off blocks of the new type when it was not possible to ever add the generator to the right side of the engine with the old steering bracket there.

In all the years I have never seen or heard of one of these blocks being in Canada. First, as stated before it reads that they were for Australia. Second no one in Canada has come forward with one of the brackets. This may mean they weren't there but as Bruce and I discovered when collecting Canadian casting dates and engine numbers the Canadians were not showing any interest in participating much in the search so maybe the lack of info from there is just plain apathy.

No idea why but in the case of the bracket it may be as the time line is so short (1920 -21 )that few if any stayed in Canada. The winter there meant that sales virtually stopped so maybe all the brackets were shipped overseas and the new steering design kicked in before they had to supply Canada with the belt drive option.

By the way your generator with the long shaft is rare, normally the brackets survives but nothing else. have yet to see an original belt tensioner for the bracket.

As to how many are around I suppose I have seen or heard of about 12. As yet I have not seen one bracket actually being used on a 1920-21 Model T.

I sent a bracket to England for instalation on a car there about 18 years ago but never heard if it was actually used. The owner had a T which his wife drove and he wanted to add a starter but didn't want to change the original motor to a later starter generator type. The belt drive option seemed like the answer for him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 08:10 am:

Thank you to New Zealander who sent me an e-mail stating he had once owned such a car. He had a fellow hobbyist with access to many of the parts books from a large NZ Ford Dealer. And his friend pointed out that the starter and generator was listed and then a year later that front bracket was listed and a year after that it was no longer listed. His friend thought it was for use in helping to convert the non-starter cars that had already been sold to starter and generator. And of course they could have been used for that. As Peter Kable pointed out – he sold such a bracket to a man in England for that very purpose. [Which if one shows up in England – we need to remember it may be that bracket and not a car that originally came with the bracket.] That e-mail indicates that the bracket was available in NZ as well as AU. Any additional details would be welcome.

John,

Yes it was the interference between the gear mounted generator and the RHD steering column that caused the problem. I still wonder why Ford USA had engineered it originally to work only with the LHD.

Peter (Kable) and Alex,

Great information. Thanks for posting it. More clues to sift through. Alex, I suspect that Ford of Canada produced both the belt driven generator and the much more plentiful gear driven generator engines and therefore cars during the same time period. The gear driven style would be an easy one for use with the LHD cars. And I believe the T-3017B was the part to convert a T-3000C block (the one for the gear driven generator) to accept a pre-starter front engine cover. See illustrations below from Bruce McCalley’s “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia” [available at: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/mccalley.htm and used by permission ] .





Bruce has the side part 3017B (initially 3017 1/2 ) listed for use 1919-1921 with the comment: TIMING GEAR COVER (For starter block with no generator).

That piece would have allowed them to stop producing the “non-starter blocks” T-3000B (Ford didn’t list the B in the parts book just T-3000 in the 1919 USA price list of parts) and to focus on producing just the T-3000C starter blocks. But I believe either block could have been used with the front belt driven generator mount as long as the T-3000C block had the T-3017B part installed.

Note that in the “mock up” installation that Peter posted – the T-3017B part is NOT installed and you can see the timing gear teeth. I say “mock up” as there are no bolts holding the head on and the timing gear is exposed etc. and is shown again below:




I do think that in Canada there would have been some overlap when the Ford Canada was producing both the non-starter T-3000B style engines as well as the starter capable T-3000C block style engines. But I don’t know what dates or how much of an overlap. That is where some fossil evidence maybe able to help fill in part of the puzzle. Alex, the photos you show of the non-starter block with the 14 Sept 1919 (casting date) may be very helpful to this. Additional details such a Peter’s question if it has the “Made in Canada” on it or not etc. will be helpful. As well as any history on the car – i.e. one owner known history or any history known about the car. Also location ( I would assume some former British Colony – but any clue on where it was originally imported etc and of course where is it now etc.). So much more still to discover – but thanks to all of you we are seeing more of the puzzle pieces.

Again thank you to all who have posted and to those many more of you who are looking for clues and will share if you find some. Anyone know some owners of Canadian produced 1919-1921 RHD that were for the Canadian market? That would be a puzzle piece I would like to find.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 02:19 pm:

Hello Hap ,Peter and all Contributors,

I have been systematically going through my old Vintage Ford magazines looking for references to this generator bracket. So far I have covered from 1973-1987. I have found three references to the bracket.I know that some where I have seen Peters article on the bracket, but I haven't come across it as jet. The first reference is in V.F. March- April 1976 Vol.11 No,7 P.41 in the letters section.The next March -April 1979 Vol.14 No.2 pages 47-49 again in the letters section.Next Nov.-Dec.1979 Vol.14 No 6 Pages 14-15. This is in an article by Bruce and Peter titled ( Right Hand Drive). If required I can keep looking. Best regards, John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 03:26 pm:

THanks John,

Do you have these vintage Ford Mags? Could anyone post these on here or email me the pages from these?

Cheers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:42 pm:

John,

Thank you so much for the references. I should be able to find those pages and post them later this week. The club allows us to do that to help promote the hobby as well as our club. If it turns out to be too large -- then I can post some highlights and e-mail the complete article to anyone that wants a copy. But I think they will be small enough to post -- i.e. they were all just a couple of pages and none were 10 pages long etc.

Again, thank you to everyone for their help. Any Canadians reading this -- eh? Has anyone seen any cars that stayed in Canada with that belt driven generator setup?

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 10:24 pm:

John,
I think you can stop looking, yep the Nov-Dec 1979 issue is the one I was thinking about.

Alex, if you can I suggest that you get a copy of the magazines on CD from the club. Over the past 44 years there has been so much information put into those magazines you will always find something of interest or better still the one thing you need to know.

Hap, the photo was a mock up, at that stage only a couple of the bare plates had shown up so there was no choise but to set it up on an old block for the photo's. (Had to do the same for the marine engine which has also been lost in transit) Alex's motor is possibly the most intact recovered so far as its on the block with the generator attached.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 02:38 am:

Will post more when time allows re the block but just to clear up any misunderstanding the engine did not come with the generator bracket or generator-they belong to a friend and I photographed them. The engine come on its own-not with a car and with no starter or generator. But will fill in more later


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Grant Landy on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 06:01 am:

One of our members,(Model T Ford club of Victoria)is running one of these on his 15' touring.As Peter stated it appears not many of the original idler pulley set ups have survived. the one on the 15' has a home made idler similar to a small hub fan hub. I will try to get some pictures of it sent to me to post.
Warwick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 08:10 am:

Hi Peter,

About the engine I plan to run one of the generator brackets on - it is a Sept 1919 block with no Made in Canada anywhere to be found on the block and no Ford script that I can find anywhere either. There is no sign what so ever of MADE IN USA having been ground off either. The head has Made in Canada but I cannot be sure if this is the original head.

The ring gear on the fly wheel has the unusual dowl pin holes which was I understand for a very short time when ring gears were first added on to fly wheels? This car has not had a starter so the ring gear is in perfect condition. I am making this into an early electric engine and this to me seems to be the type of block that would have originally been used.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 08:13 am:

I have been sent some pictures and information which probably pin points all the bits we were unsure about. Along with the photo's was attached these observations.

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I have 2 sets of these brackets.
The generator pulley is cast iron on both. The idler pulley is cast iron on both with a caped end held in place by 4 screws. One of the idler pulleys came from New Zealand. Both my drive plates are broken on the oil filler neck similar to the one in the example on the site.



Another interesting thing is I have found at least 3 maybe 4 early style cast iron fan pulleys with no rear lip. They are not broken as I suspected they were when I found the first one. It is possible that these pulleys were made for this setup considering all the other pulleys in the setup are cast iron and the generator pulley is the one with the 2 lips


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So now there is an original idler pulley that has been found and the fan pulley with the one lip looks like it was used in conjunction with the flanged ones on the generator and idler.

Probably an idea as it would be a lot harder to keep the belt on all the pulleys and a little run off on the fan would work but not require as much setting up.

So there appears to be a quick fix that was put in place for Australian and New Zealand Model T's when the electrical system was announced which was quickly replaced when the solution was developed soon after in 1921. What about Canada ??? and we know the English went LHD instead of using the belt drive.

The idler pulley shaft probably went in the top hole in the bracket and the fan tensioned it untill it ran out when the lower hole could be used to gain extra travel if the belt was stretched or made longer.

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If anyone decides to set up one of these belt drive generators they now can do so and be fairly certain that thay have reproduced what was offered by Ford Canada. I have asked for more details and measurements on the idler etc so that they can be fabricated if the parts are not found.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 08:22 am:

You will notice that the last picture shows the idler pulley attached to a fan bracket and it also looks to have no flanges.

The attachment to the fan bracket was how it was found but I will check out the story on the idler without the flanges.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 06:22 pm:

Peter,

Do you have original engine serial numbers for this set up? Or is it not original to this block?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 07:08 pm:

Not sure Alex am checking


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 11:16 pm:

Thanks for posting the photos -- I have been behind and am also interested in finding out more. Specifically -- did Ford of Canada ever offer the set up for the RHD provinces or was it for export use only? If I had to vote today -- I would lean towards export only at this point. But does anyone know of a 1919-1920 RHD Model T that stayed in Canada and that had a starter?

Again thanks to everyone for helping track this down.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 06:09 am:

Just an update

A friend Chris who lives not far from me emailed to let me know he has an original engine/bracket set up-was all together (Except no generator) when he first found the unit

Engine number is #C275995 Date 8-10-20 Date on trans cover 23 this was all in circle AUG1920 .

Will post original Ford News pic of this set up once scanned-it's a copy so no date or issue number but was on page 5 Does anyone have an original collection of the Ford News of Canada around 1919/1920?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:29 am:

Here are photo's of the various pulleys for the belt drive.

Only the generator pully has 2 flanges
The idler has none and the fan pully has none on the back edge.

The idler pulley was put onto the fan pivot arm here but would normally be on the bracket mid way between the generator and the crankshaft.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Saturday, October 23, 2010 - 11:41 pm:

This really fascinates me - does anyone have any pictures of this setup on an existing car? I now have this setup, with an original idler, but am unsure of how it all goes together. In all the pictures I've seen, here included, not one clearly how the idler attaches to the timing cover.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable Kiama Australia on Saturday, October 23, 2010 - 11:59 pm:

Ralph,

The idler bolts through one of the two holes that are half way along the generator arm.(see Peter Martins photo's at the top)

Been a while ago but I think they used a fan pully shaft (the thickness of the plate at the point of the two hoes is about the same as the fan bracket arm, though any bolt that would fit the bush could also work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 01:59 pm:

Hi Peter,
I went back and reread everything in this string carefully and found the answers to my questions. I was thinking the arm went in the idler location. The idler was incorrectly attached to the arm as pictured above, hence my confusion. Now that I've taken everything apart for a thorough cleaning and rebuild, standard fan pulley parts and bushings can be used. Thankfully, this is turning out to be much easier than I anticipated with the exception of the cover repair, which will happen soon. Just ordered all the new parts I need. Will have everything glass beaded and repainted before they arrive.

I'll be running a Bosch magneto whose bracket replaces the generator mount, so this is a perfect solution to a self-induced problem! Plus, this will be the only T here in the US that will have this setup that I know of.

Had the generator professionally rebuilt. I thought it would have standard T innards, but that was not the case. The generator was blown up internally and everything had to be manufactured. If I told you what that cost, you wouldn't think I was crazy, you'd KNOW I was crazy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable Kiama Australia on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 07:30 pm:

Ralph,
I returned your message after you posted the PM to me last wek but it was returned, Your profile says you don't accept PM's that may be why? Though I would have thought that if I selected your email address it would have been OK.

Post a photo here when you get everything set up I'm sure everyone would be interested.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 03:23 pm:

Anyone know where I can get a good leather belt in the proper length for this setup?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 06:19 pm:

Ralph

Web search found this maker, price page says he will make endless version too, you supply dimensions.

http://www.leatherdrivebelts.com/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 08:21 pm:

Excellent! Thank you, Dan for the lead. As soon as I get the engine far enough along to measure, I will and order from them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 08:22 pm:

Peter, did you get the two messages I sent a few hours ago?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 09:52 pm:

I've never seen an original belt, but I have seen about every variant known to mankind made in the aftermarket. What was the original leather belt joint? Was it an endless loop or did it have the metal hinge with a pin?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Boyer on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 10:01 pm:

What is everyone's opinion of using sealed bearings for the fan pulley? The fan pulley and idler take the same bushings, and I've ordered two sets from Lang's, but will just put those on the shelf if using sealed bearings is the better way to go and find a source for the bearings.


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