Year of a Coupé

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson of Southeast Sweden on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 11:07 am:

A friend of mine has found a photo of a relative in USA where she is standing beside a Model T Coupé. Can you please help him with year of manufacture of that Coupé?
Best regards, Sven
Coupé


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 11:24 am:

With the suicide doors, the sunvisor, the cowl curvature and style of clothing, I'd say 1923. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, CO on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 11:33 am:

Swen Jackobsson:

I woudld guess somewhere between late 20 and ealry 21. There is no radiator apron and the wheels are demountable.

If I see the front bearing clamp correctly they ended in early 21.

I am not sure I can see the foor handle correctly but in 1919 I believe they where bail type handles in a CD. The handle in this picture looks more like late 20 to early 21.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 11:43 am:

Neither Bruce's book nor the encyclopedia shows sunvisors until 1923.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John A Kuehn on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 03:00 pm:

The Coupes from 22 and earlier
didnt have a cowl air vent like the later models had if memory serves me right.
The 23 and later models had the vent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen-Central Minnesota on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 04:51 pm:

I think it's a 1920. Here's why: it's a low hood, suicide door coupe, which narrows the year of manufacture (YOM)to '17 to '22; the lack of oil cowl lamps indicate that it's starter equipped, which further narrows the YOM to late '19 (beginning with the '20 models) or later; the car has clear headlight lenses and appears to have the early style front motor mount, both of which were discontinued early in '21; lastly, there is a clearly visible truss rod between the running boards, which if not an aftermarket accessory, would mean that it has forged running board brackets, which were discontinued in mid '20. All of these factors combine to narrow the range to a late '19 to mid '20 production date. Which would mean a 1920 model. But, as John Regan often says, "your mileage may vary."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Mortensen, Ham Lake, MN on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 04:54 pm:

I agree, it's from '22 or earlier. '23 models didn't have the suicide door and had the high radiator with apron.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 09:39 pm:

I agree with Eric's assessment and think it's a '20-'21, and the visor is an accessory. The view of the door handle isn't the best, but it looks like a '21 to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, CO on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 11:40 pm:

But Jim I am not sure you can go with sun visors because you could get one installed for $3.00 on earlier cars, So I am sure that some did. Its its like demountable rims, I find many on ealier cars that were changed to demountables. I drug in a 13 from the back pasture that had demountable wheels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce McCalley on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 08:15 am:

I'd say it's somewhere between 1921 and 1923. The door handles are of the type used in those years; the were bil type earlier. This style of coupe was made up until the 1924 models in the summer of 1923. It's hard to tell but the headlight glass seems to be clear rather than of the "H" type. Plain glass was discontinued in 1921.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 08:29 am:

Warren:

Early '23 had low radiator through at least February but I agree with others that it is earlier than '23.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Mortensen, Ham Lake, MN on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 08:37 am:

John;

True, and since Bruce has weighed in I'll roll over on my back and you guys can scratch my tummy. <grin>


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 08:46 am:

I'm not sure, but does the license plate on the front read SD (South Dakota) on the left and 24 (1924) on the right? Looks like a brand new car which might be the reason the photo is being taken of the proud new owners. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson of Southeast Sweden on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 12:09 pm:

Thank you very much all of you!!
I will ask my friend if the original photo is good enough to have a clear picture of the registration plate. If so, I might come back. Otherwise I am satisfied so far.
Best regards, Sven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel Denis Chicoine, MD on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 02:34 pm:

I believe it is a 1924 SD licence plate. the dark background with white letters eliminates the 1920,1923,1926. I don't believe the 1921 or 1922 plates had a hyphenation for counties, but they were also dark with a light background. 1919 had 19 over 19 on the right side. The color of background would help, but not with a black and white photo. This is fun. I'll try to see where in the state the plate lists it from.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Fisk on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 03:42 pm:

It looks exactly like my 1922 coupe, including the visor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 04:14 pm:

Assuming that Sven's friend is also in Sweden, then the woman relative in the picture is presumably Swedish. That certainly makes the Dakotas or Minnesota a higher probability than other states.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:10 pm:

My 62 year-old cataract-ridden eyes may be playing tricks on me, but there appears to be a white dot just above and to the right of the steering wheel. That dot could be the door's window raising thumb lever that appeared in 1922 Coupes in about May, as I recall. This zig-zag channel window raising mechanism replaced the leather pull straps used up to that time, So, if that's what I think it is, this would be a mid-1922 or very early 1923 coupe, before the doors switched over from rear-hinged to front-hinged.
Marshall, 1922 and 1924 Coupe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenny Edmondson, Indy on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:25 pm:

Looks like my '22.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:26 pm:

"Marshall, 1922 and 1924 Coupe"

Those are Doctor's Coupes, aren't they? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenny Edmondson, Indy on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:44 pm:

Marshal, it's just your eye's playing tricks :-) The mechanism is on the other side of the window.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marshall V. Daut on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:46 pm:

AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!! Ain't I done told youse guys dat dere ain't no such of an animal as one of dem der "Doctor's Coupes"???? I knows dey exists over on Ebay, but not no way among youse highly edumacated folks! AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
Marshall "Death Before Doctor's Coupes" Daut


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 07:51 pm:

Gotcha! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel Denis Chicoine, MD on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 11:28 pm:

Marshall, I disagree!! I've got one!!! :-)
I also own a "Doctor's touring".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 11:50 pm:

NO ONE HAS COMMENTED on the decals of the diving girl in the swimsuit on the windshield and rear window of the coupe:

coupe 1 coupe2

What that fellow needs to do is go down to Western Auto and pick out the appropriate radiator mascot:

mascot


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 12:00 am:

Good eyes Erik, I was trying to figure out what was on the window glass. I read about the Jantzen "Diving Girl" while studying an old hood ornament. I think you might be on to somthing very interesting. Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 12:38 am:

John:

I'll bet that those are Jantzen decals on the coupe.

The hood ornament was sold last week on eBay by an aquaintence of mine - that's how I was able to locate the picture.

Here are some supposedly genuine Jantzen decals from the 1920s:

jantzen girl

Click on this link to see the evolution of the Jantzen diving girl:

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/08/jantzen_swimwear_celebrates_10_18.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 12:59 am:

Erick I didn't see the one last week on eBay but I have seen several in the past to include toppers for Moto meters. Apparently the Jantzen girl had quite a following back in the day. I've seen hood ornaments with her in several diving positions to include all of those you have posted. I had never seen the decals but I think you are spot on with your photo forensics. Thanks again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson of Southeast Sweden on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 04:00 pm:

Hello all,
A few more facts I got from my friend are that his grandmothers sister Esther emigrated from Sweden to USA 1898, married with Mr Edward Tennyhill and lived most of the time in South Dakota. So Dick made some good reflections about people and places. At this time I do not know why the picture is marked with the name Greta. Perhaps he will inform me about that later. And again, thank you all for your engagement in the fact finding process.
Best regards, Sven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 06:44 am:

Maybe "Greta" is the woman in the picture. Possibly Esther's mother, as she looks a tad older than 26. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger K, southern Sweden on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 09:52 am:

Esther was probably older than 26 in 1924, since she emigrated in '98. We've seen Mabel in Australia turn 100 yesterday, so perhaps Greta was the coupe's nickname? ;)


..Hej Sven in the southeast, you're 230 miles north of me ;) Ok, your hometown Norrköping is about 100 miles south of Stockholm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sven Jakobsson of Southeast Sweden on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 11:45 am:

I know now that Greta was a sister to Esther and she was still in Sweden. My friend has tried to enlarge and scan with higher resolution of the plate, but the original photo is not so good.
Best regards, Sven
registration plate


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren E Henderson, Dunbarton / Concord, on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 01:20 pm:

Erik,

How come those Jantzen diving girls, got less clothes and bigger breast with the passing years?

Warren


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 01:29 pm:

Warren, the first is style, the second is probably nutrition... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 01:32 pm:

Warren, It's like the old song "How 'Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down on the Farm After They've Seen Paree". :-)


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