yes, this is off-topic...sortta. for more than 2 years, i've been waiting for Hawk Models(aka JL Lloyd International) to re-issue their model t engine kit. this particular kit was to give me a leg up on the creation of the engine for the 1/3rd scale model. for my purposes, it is easier for me to increase scale, rather than obtain a full-size engine and scale down. using any of the web search engines, you can find the following example (and reasonable pricing) as shown below.
the problem so far? when i talked to the receptionist this past thursday, the owner (JL Lloyd International) won't re-issue until there's "sufficient demand". so...i voted!
here's my pitch to each of you, if you are interested in this particular model, email me and i'll forward the information that i have. no, i have nothing to do with Hawk Models or JL Lloyd International, but i just want to prove to this wary businessman that there truly is interest in engine models other than year 2000 to current day muscle cars. heck, i'd even buy couple models of the small block engines of my youth.
anywho, if you desire information on who to talk to, email me through my profile. if you by chance you aren't interested, then please forgive my wasting of your time, it's never been my intention to do so.
I never saw that model before; it's fantastic! Send me the info!
Georgen I am having trouble sending you a message, but I would be interested in one of the engines. Dave
Count me in too.
Sweet! Count me in.
Count me in,I like it.
I assume that demand means thousands of interested buyers, since it is very expensive to tool up for a new production run of specialty models that is only of interest to a comparative few, but if they build it, like most folks here, I'll definitely buy one. Jim Patrick
I'd take two one for the Grandsons one for me . .
Don't send one to 'Mikey' . . he never did models as a kid . . . he lived on long island, they didn't do anything that was fun . .
I would take one!
Just a thought, maybe if both clubs did a blurb in their Magazines for requests from those interested in the engine model enough people would respond to show the company it was worth making another run.
I will take two.
Ron the Coilman
Here's a vendor I found doing a Google search that is taking back orders for the model with a January 2012 date for expected delivery.
Here's the link.
Fortunately for Hawk models, most of the members here are from the generation that grew up building plastic models back in their heyday of the 50's and 60's. I don't know what happened to model building, but my son and his friends, with their obssesion with video games, never had an interest in model building. Perhaps with all the reading and instructions and smelly glue and messy paint it takes to assemble a model, it is too much work.
I'm not disparaging my son's generation. They are great kids that bring alot to the table. It's just that model building was a great way to learn how to follow directions, strive for perfection, learn how things were constructed and what they look like from the inside out, see a project through to the end, and wind up with a nice trophy for your shelf for your friends to admire.
It's the same with the AC Gilbert educational sets such as the Erector Sets, Erec-Tronic Sets, Chemistry Sets, Telescopes, Microscopes, Science Projects sets, Great Inventors Series Sets, from the 50's and 60's. I am convinced that these sets sparked an interest in science, and engineering that spawned many of the great Scientists and Engineers of today. Many of the young geniuses that would have been the great minds of the future have never been inspired and are still in their parent's basements honing their video gaming skills.
Many of these vintage AC Gilbert Educational sets can be found on ebay and I would suggest that you all should attempt to create an interest in your child in Science and Engineering. Who knows. You may wind up influencing your young son to put down the video controller and try something new and possibly become the next generation's Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla or Carl Sagan. I purchased many of these sets on ebay in an effort to try and interest my son in what they had to offer, but he was too entrenched in video games, so I wound up putting them all back on ebay and selling them. Hopefully, some of you will have better luck.
Back to model building...If Hawk Models was smart, they could create a niche for themselves with us old model builders by creating a line of Model T models to appeal to the hundreds of thousands of Model T owners that would be interested. I've been looking, for years, for a detailed model of my 1926 Model T Coupe and 1926 Fordor, but I guess none were ever made. Jim Patrick
I built more than a few model cars and aircraft as a kid. Great hobby for the winter time when I was stuck inside.
It's nice to see that my sons have inherited the 'build models, and not play video games" mantra as that's just what they do.
Unless you go to a hobby shop, it's hard to find a good selection of models. Wal-mart done away with their model section, as have many others.
Here is a link to an article on Model T model kits offered in the past. I think you can still find the AMT 26 tudor, good listing of all the different ones, you have to zoom the article up to view the list in detail.
Or we can all email the company at
Maybe they will get the message.
If thay have already produced this in kit form once the tooling is already sitting and can be used again. We need to know what size of run that thay need to do. Then we can shoot for that number to help them. I'll take two at least and thay would make great gifts.
I think they should contact the MTFCA to sell them on the web store.
I e-mailed them and included a link to this thread. Jim Patrick
Thanks Dan. I have seen a 1/48 scale hotrod version of the '26 coupe and a 1/48 scale of the Model T version of the 26' Touring and have been contemplating buying both of them and substituting the coupe body from the hotrod version for the Touring body on the Model T portion of the touring model, but haven't gotten around to locating both versions yet. Jim Patrick
Called the company, JL Lloyd , and the sales gal said the company is making a run of the Model T engines in the 4th quarter, so 2012 Jan would be the date.
She said they don't take direct orders, to contact a hobby shop or distributor.
Tried to place a backorder with the hobby shop link Jay listed , but the website ordering won't take a b.o. So will follow up in Jan. Seems they make two versions, a built one 11083 with dc motor that runs it, and a kit to build your own, 11084. Both list at $35.
I think Eric has the right idea....If the MTFCA shows an interest who knows,,,,, maybe they would move-up their production date....I'd buy 3 or 4 just to give to as gift too.......Carl
Good info! I'll add yet another sticky note to the wall beside my desk so I can order a few of the kits when they are ready.
I think Erich has the right idea on the club selling them. They could become a vendor for the model then we could buy them from the club so the club makes the profit from our purchases rather then a hobby vendor. I am sure the club could sell more of these then any other vendor by far.
No water pump???????
stick a note on the wall,good idea. Bob
That looks like a easy engine to bulid, Just one question though, How will I pore the babbitt bearings?
Not a bother - the motor has a generator and starter so it is a lazyman's Model T motor.
Just make sure you use very low melting point babbitt!
wow! the response has been pretty good! to those who responded via email, most have received communication from me...thank you. there are a few more who soon will, it's been a busy week at work. please forgive the tardiness, i do appreciate your willingness to email me.
why the emails? 'cause i can/have created a mailing list in order to share information who you that should be in the back channel. if those who've posted interest here wish to be part of that list, just send a message via my profile. if that doesn't work for you because a technicality, sing out and i'll try to find a way to post it here without incurring the junkmail that ensues.
btw, thank you for the many ideas for getting the message out. as of today, i've contacted mtfca and suggested they might be interested in following this developing story. as more than a few you know, i've also posted in the mtfci forums as well. now, i have a favor to ask...if any of you have any inroads with the ford company, auto-specific magazines or the various museums, would you consider fronting this to them or in the least, forward the contact information for me to try?
maybe it's alot of fuss for a model and perhaps there are more important human causes to champion, but the more i work on the 1/3rd scale model...the more important the full-size model t's are to me. the receptionist at J Lloyd International may have been flippant with her comment, but i caught the challenge...
to those not on my email list, not much information from hawk models or jl lloyd inc. calls to the phone number listed on the website continue to yield that the owner may release the model t engine in october or november...keep your fingers crossed.
also, without direct contact with the owner of the company, there's very little way to let them know of the demand for the model. the demand is what i've continually been told will release it. this is a chicken or the egg story.
aside from carpet bombing their phone number, i'm still looking for a way to get the models released. any additional ideas?
coumt me in your talks with them. Does anyone know of where I might get a Tudor model?? I have search everywhere I know can't find.
I am sorry, my grammar and spelling is not bad. I just can't see the keyboard like I used to and fingers aren't as agile as once were.
I once tried to get a long out of print band shirt reissued. The only way I could get them to do even a small run was to have a set number of confirmed orders, in my case it was 250 shirts.
Perhaps something similar could be done with the engine model?
I'd be interested in 3 or 4 of the T engine models for myself.
Wooo, I'd like one of those too, notice how the engine is green? All I'd have to do is paint the block, pan and trans grey and it'd be my engine. Be nice if they had the right color spark plug wires too.
Hmmm, wait a minute, it's got coils! Well, got to get rid of those infernal contraptions, you think they'd put a distributor in the kit?
I tried Jim's approach with my little one. He's eight years old now. I collected comic books for almost 37 years. Specialized in Disney Ducks and Mice because the stories were far more entertaining than that of Marvel or DC, and although it was talking Ducks or Mice, they were far more believable. The ducks went to exotic locales, steeped in history not only of our country but the world as a whole. I learned about the Aztecs, Incas, Myans, Greek Mythology, King Solomon, that National Geographic was more than just tribal porn, and of the possibility of life outside this planet. I would read them to my father, who got me started on them.
I tried showing them to my son, reading them to him, tying them in to video games. I had comics from the 1940's to the present day, even one's signed by the greatest Duck artist who ever lived: Carl Barks.
THE only literature my son has any interest in reading is a video game strategy guide.
I sold all but three hundred of the many thousands that I had. The money went towards the completion of my Model T.
My son will never realize what he missed.
That really surmised todays youth... how about this...
Hey son, lets go hunting...
I dont like guns dad...
DAD, I GOT ALL As THROUGHT OUT SCHOOL. I wanna go to Harvard.
Sorry kid.... sold my entire gun collection and bought a nice new house for us to live in... as long as you continue to get As at the community college that is....
I hope you made a killing on that comic collection and bought the kid a used computer with a green screen.
Count me in
Just for the heck of it I will take one when it come time for them to start production
It would go good with the Hudson Miniatures I built as a teenager, the only thing it may not fit in the cabinet. Who cares I 'll find a spot for ti when the times come to display it.
I just got off the phone with a nice woman at Hawk Models about the availability of this engine kit. She said the owner is considering a 4th quarter release this year, but it sounds like he needs some convincing. Thanks to George Taylor, who has spearheaded this campaign and has been keeping us informed on the forum and via e-mails. She told me that she has recieved only about five phone calls this year on this kit. The phone number is 319-365-5842.
I think a call from all those interested would move this process along. I myself have been on retailers waiting lists for over two years and have heard nothing. Lets make this happen !
Jr. College material love that comment. Mine is similar. My son at the time was 8 and not interested in the Model T even though I was. I sold it and know donate my team help coaching his youth sports teams and we collect vintage sports cards and memorabilia. Now I donate the time building the man cave for Sunday afternoons and customizing Mcfarlane sports figures. Found a useful purpose for the Dremel.
Took plenty pics of the T and still love the old cars and The Henry Ford. It was fun for a few years. The engine is cool. I would consider getting one.
I just called them up and she said it is "still tentative" for the end of the year and to call back later in Nov. I bet it would help them untentative it if they got enough calls.
+I have not seen the size of this model, w x h and Length.
Why not call Lang's, Snyders, Bob's, Chaffins, etc. to see if it's something they would put in their catalog. That would help generate some real numbers and make it easy for any T guy to place one on order. Also, could try club sales at MTFCI & MTFCA for inclusion in their catalogs. A solid committment from 1 or more of these entities would do much to help your cause.
It is a 1/6 scale, so the block is probably 4 inches long. Model is probably 8 inches long over all. Just estimating.
I'll take one, maybe three, my wife some time ago found three AMT Ertl kits complete at a second hand store, my kids have never shown any interest in making models, BUT, recently l sat dow with my 8 year old sone, we built his 56 Thunderbird over a week, now the older girls want me to do the same with their, 57 chevy Hardtop and 66 mustang kits, who'd of guessed that they'll again make a come back ???
Now lf l can find a 1926 T Tudor ,Franklin Mint or similar metal 1/16 model like the 1913 Tourings l have, then everyone will be happy !!!!
Have you seen the prices they are pulling, as low as $24-00 for the two l purchased, way up to $264-00 for the same model !!!!!
just got off the phone with the nice lady at jl lloyd inc. we have a chicken and egg situation! that much we knew before i called again. they won't produce the models until there is sufficient demand. okay, how do we do that, i asked? she finally answered that they gauge the demand by the number of telephone inqueries. so call now!!! call often!!!!! don't let up, get all your 't' friends to call in too!!! got connections with the various 't' releated museums? get them to call in with what they expect to sell in their 1st year of sales. got a business(call Lang's, Snyders, Bob's, Chaffins, etc.) that you think would love to sell them? make sure they call too!
come on guys!! if you want it, help me make it happen!!!!! got friends overseas? have them call or email or both!!!!!!
she said she would accept the excel spreadsheet that i created from the private messages and gleanings from this thread(if you've received an email from me, you are). even if you are on that list, please call, be nice, but make your voices heard. if you want these engines and other 't' related parts, you have to raise the roof and be heard!!! let's inundate them with 'demand'...and mean it with our dollars!!!!
Add me to your list and send me the information. Thanks
send me a pm, that way i'll get your email. working to send list to hawk models tonight.
keeping calling the phone number shown above!
I went on line to several hobby stores. One said available after 12/31/2011 and the other Jan/Feb 2012. They must be getting ready to do another run. Your emails would probably help spur the makers along. I would take one.
How is this project going now? I too would be interested in one of these models. Oddly, I was a model builder who loved Ts even as a kid back when Hawk was a going concern and do not recall this model.
They did a very nice 1909 Hupmobile & I think a 1902 Rambler which used the same wheels. I would like to see both of these again.
sent an e-mail, and received this reply:
We do not make any models in the 1/6th scale.
J Lloyd International, Inc.
517 3rd Ave. SW Suite C
Cedar Rapids, IA 52404
I'm not thet 1/6th scale is correct but I hope that George will let us know.
<By David Dufault on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 05:49 pm:
sent an e-mail, and received this reply:
We do not make any models in the 1/6th scale.>
David.......try again and ask about 1/3 scale...... ;)
I sent the picture posted at the beginning of this thread to a pal who is in the modeling business and he had never heard of this kit. He pointed out that the packaging is recent with all of the legal disclaimers seen on modern kits. He feels this is a recent model, probably imported rather than one of the old Hawk US made kits.
Looking the picture over when blown up shows the detail is not too bad, better than the more toylike models we built as kids.
Just called and was told that the owner has not decided to release it this year or next.... keep calling and letting them know they have an interest base that would buy it and maybe they will finally decide to actually release it .
J Lloyd International, Inc.
517 3rd Ave. SW Suite C
Cedar Rapids, IA 52404