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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brendan Doughty on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 04:47 pm:

Does anyone know what kind of manhole cover type oilers go on the spindle bolts and tie rod pins?
I have two types of NOS large size oilers for the spindle bolts. Some are threaded and some are the press in style. I have three kinds of tie rod pins 1. Ford script with large oiler 2. Ford script with small oiler 3. Nonsript heavier head bolt with large brass manhole cover oiler. Which is correct for a mid-year 1916?
The gas tank on this car has "TOUR." on the end of it. Was this used on the assembly line on all cars?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LFB on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 05:53 pm:

Have seen similar white paint stencil on side of the frame, ROAD, on a circa 1920 chassis. The 1920s cars had the rear spare rim carrier mounted before the body so there was a difference in the chassis and perhaps a need to designate. Coupes and sedans of 1916 have different gas tanks and that may also be a hint at a reason to label. No idea about how prevalent it was but not many survive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 12:14 am:

Brendan,

1. For most Model T Parts there will not be a specific date that the part switched from one style to the next. Many of the parts were purchased from outside suppliers -- such as the oilers. Whatever was shipped to the factory, Ford would use as long as it met the requirements. And the style one assembly plant had would not necessarily be the same item/style another assembly plant had on that same day.

2. There is a detailed explanation of the various oilers by Trent Boggess at:
http://oz.plymouth.edu/~trentb/DR010799.htm and continued at: http://oz.plymouth.edu/~trentb/Oilers.html as well as at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/F-H.htm#fr1 (see Front Axle, and spindle bolts).


3. It is getting a little late so a summary of what I think it is saying:

a. The 1916 Spindle Bolt oiler: I think the spindle bolt would probably have been the "man hole" cover style. Note I think the oil cup was part of the spindle bolt and not just pressed in -- but I hope someone else will take the time to read the information and confirm that. I believe it would have had a "man hole" cover on top of that "built in oil cup."
(1) It doesn't sound to me that it was a pressed in man hole cover oiler like the one shown below from a 1918 (spindle bolt is NOT original but I think the oilers maybe).


I think that style was also used on the Rip Van Winkle Ford which is shown below (photo courtesy of the MTFCA Vintage Ford):

b. For the tie rod bolts -- I think they had a cup that was built into the tie rod bolt and which had that same man hole style cover. See the excellent pictures of those bolts on Trent's site. (I didn't just copy and paste them here as I have not had a chance to ask Trent if that is ok. I'm 99% sure it would be -- as he has always allow me to post and use his other excellent pictures and research, but I would prefer to ask and have permission, before I post something.)

4. If you are restoring a driver -- I would recommend Lang's 2718SB for the tie rod bolts and 2710SB for the spindle bolts -- they have the oilers with the hinged lid. They function great. If you are going for a more authentic look, then Lang's 2718-15 for the tire rod bolts and 2710-15 for the Spindle bolts both have the pressed in brass "man hole" covers and they would look more correct than the later styled hinged oiler cover. And if you absolutely want it correct -- you will need to start searching for those bolts with the built in oilers and the brass man hole covers.

5. You may want to compare your parts with the descriptions in Trent's report and pick the one that best suits your needs.

Hap 1915 Model T Ford Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout


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