Going Home for the Holidays? What about some pictures of Body numbers for Hap?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:19 am:

Just a thought for any of you who may be going home for the holidays and who may have an opportunity to look at your relative’s or friend’s Model T. I’m still slowly trying to gather information on the different 1914-1922 touring and roadster bodies. I also will gladly accept any year and information on body numbers.

Where to look?

On the wood seat framed touring and roadsters – the number is often on the front seat wooden frame. It can be stamped into the wood or attached with a metal tag as shown below:

Below is a Wilson bodied Jan 1914 body number:



Below is a Mar 1915 Beaudett body number tag on the wooden seat frame:



It also can be found on or near the right front floor board riser area. Some of the Beaudett bodies had a “B” and the body number embossed into the right front metal floor board riser.

Below is Jim Cook's Aug 1915 Wilson body number located on the right front floor board riser. His car was sold new in Oct 1915. Note that it has the "W" for Wilson on the body number. Later you will see the front seat panel of his car also had a "W".




Below is Kevin's 1916 with a body tag on the right front floor board riser:



In one case the body tag was found under the floor boards but still in the same right front floor board riser area. Tom's 1915 tag is located above the white folding ruler.



Does the cowl have those 7 rivets visible on the inside of the car above the coil box as shown on Bill's car below?



Does the front or rear heel panel have a letter or letters embossed on them? If so what letter and is it recessed in or is it raised? Below is Jim Cook's Aug 1915 Wilson bodied car front seat heel panel that has a "W." His car also had the "W" on the right front floor board riser shown earlier.



Below is a Beaudett "B" front seat heel panel:



Below is Mike's Hayes "H" marked front seat heel panel:


Note an "H" could mean a different body maker during a different year.

Below is George Mill's front seat panel that has a recessed "M" and a raised "B." I don't know yet what that really stands for. My guess and it is only a guess at the moment -- Monroe and Beaudett both had something to do with this body. Perhaps one supplied panels and the other assembled them? Perhaps one produced the body for the other company? They were both located in Pontiac Michigan and odly enough, Ford records show Pontiac and NOT Beaudett -- we don't know why.



Bud Scudder's 1916 has an "M" for "Monroe" on his front seat heel panel.




Can you tell if the gas tank cover was originally wood, originally metal, missing, or never there

If the gas cover is not there, you may be able to tell what was used by looking at the hinges or what is left of the hinges. Below is the typical wood seat lid hinge on the left and the metal seat lid hinge on the right:



Below are the remains of Jasper's metal seat lid hinges:


and the other one:


and the complete metal gas tank lid hinge:



If you were able to find anything please also let me know the casting date and engine serial number (you can put xxx for the last three numbers – that is close enough). You can post here -- I'll be checking or you can click on my name and e-mail me direct (you don't have to resize pictures then)-just use my e-mail address listed with my profile -- click on my name.

For those who are traveling – have a safe trip and for all of you celebrating Thanksgiving – I hope it will be a special time for you and your loved ones. And please don’t go out into the cold just to get numbers – they will be there next spring also.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:07 pm:

Thanks to Alan who e-mailed me the numbers from his 1921 Ford. Yes, an e-mail with just the numbers and information etc. will also work great. Below is a form you can copy, paste into an e-mail and just delete the part that doesn't apply:

Please E-mail information to Hap Tucker about Model T Body number:

1. Was there a letter on the front seat or back seat heel panel? If so

a. What letter?

b. Located on “front seat heel panel” “back seat heel panel” “both heel panels”?

2. Was there a body number? If so

a. What letter was it?

b. It was “on a metal tag” “stamped into the wood”

c. It was located “on the wooden front seat frame” “right front floor board riser” “other”

3. Looking above the coil box on the inside of the car there “are 7 rivets visible” “no rivets above the coil box”

4. Type (touring, roadster) and Year of car

a. If it has a slanted windshield – is it: early low cowl or later high cowl body?

5. The gas tank cover was: “wood” “metal” “probably didn’t have a cover (they were discontinued when the oval tanks were introduced).

6. If the engine appears to be original to the car --please provide the following:

a. Engine number (with xxx for the last 3 digits)

b. Engine casting date

7. If visible or known, what type of back rest cushion supports are installed: metal wood

8. Any other information to help discover who the body maker was? (One owner had the original inspection tags – which had a check mark next to the body maker who supplied his car’s body. That can be a real help!)

9. Name and contact number in case we have additional questions over the next few years.

Thanks to everyone who has taken a “look see.” Even if the car doesn’t have any markings – thank you for taking the time to check. Someday someone is going to send us the “key”or “keys” that helps all of this make sense and fall into place. Thanks for your support.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap Tucker (very full from the turkey dinner) 1915 Model T Ford touring (that doesn’t have any body numbers (wood was replaced before we got the car); no letter on the front seat heel panel; no rear seat heel panel to check, metal gas tank lid, and 7 rivets visible above the coil box) cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout (they also often had body numbers – usually under the seat cushion on the wooden seat frame).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 11:42 pm:

I check out the forum several times a day for entertainment and I think lots of others do too, so instead of emailing Hap I figured I'd post my info here.

1. Was there a letter on the front seat or back seat heel panel? **NO** - nowhere!

FRONT:
2

BACK:
4

2. Was there a body number? **YES** 17709 690

BODY NUMBER:
5

a. What letter was it? **NO LETTER JUST NUMBERS**

b. It was “on a metal tag” “stamped into the wood” **STAMPED INTO WOOD**

c. It was located “on the wooden front seat frame” “right front floor board riser” “other” **RIGHT FRONT FLOOR BOARD RISER**

3. Looking above the coil box on the inside of the car there “are 7 rivets visible” “no rivets above the coil box” **NO RIVETS ABOVE COIL BOX**

AREA ABOVE COIL BOX:
1

4. Type (touring, roadster) and Year of car **TOURING** - Although this is a '15 touring, I believe the body to be later, possibly a '17 because of the body number and the extra rivet cutout in the firewall. The body was in better shape than the chassis when I got it and the fenders were brand new at some point in the recent past. I could be wrong, but I've always wondered about the originality of the car.

a. If it has a slanted windshield – is it: early low cowl or later high cowl body? **N/A**

5. The gas tank cover was: “wood” “metal” “probably didn’t have a cover (they were discontinued when the oval tanks were introduced). **METAL**

GAS TANK COVER:
3

6. If the engine appears to be original to the car --please provide the following: **NOT SURE IF CHASSIS IS ORIGINAL TO BODY**

a. Engine number (with xxx for the last 3 digits) **UNKNOWN**

b. Engine casting date **6/15**

7. If visible or known, what type of back rest cushion supports are installed: metal wood **I BELIEVE THEY WERE METAL**

8. Any other information to help discover who the body maker was? (One owner had the original inspection tags – which had a check mark next to the body maker who supplied his car’s body. That can be a real help!) **NO**

9. Name and contact number in case we have additional questions over the next few years. CRAIGSUTTON427@YAHOO.COM

Hap, I think I speak for lots of people when I say we appreciate your help with all our little problems and I hope this helps you out.

Craig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 09:33 pm:

1. Was there a letter on the front seat or back seat heel panel? If so,

a. What letter? Yes,

heel

b. Located on “front seat heel panel” “back seat heel panel” “both heel panels”? Front heel panel

2. Was there a body number? If so

a. What number was it? Yes,

bodynumber

b. It was “on a metal tag” “stamped into the wood”

c. It was located “on the wooden front seat frame” “right front floor board riser” “other”

3. Looking above the coil box on the inside of the car there “are 7 rivets visible” “no rivets above the coil box” N/A

4. Type (touring, roadster) and Year of car
Touring, 1914

a. If it has a slanted windshield – is it: early low cowl or later high cowl body? N/A

5. The gas tank cover was: “wood” “metal” “probably didn’t have a cover (they were discontinued when the oval tanks were introduced). Wood

6. If the engine appears to be original to the car --please provide the following: Yes, documented original.

a. Engine number (with xxx for the last 3 digits) 477,5XX

b. Engine casting date 1/16/14

7. If visible or known, what type of back rest cushion supports are installed: wood

8. Any other information to help discover who the body maker was? (One owner had the original inspection tags – which had a check mark next to the body maker who supplied his car’s body. That can be a real help!)

9. Name and contact number in case we have additional questions over the next few years.

Eric Hylen
St. Cloud, MN
320-260-7663


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:42 pm:

THANK YOU!!! Yes, that helps a lot. And thank you also for the kind words. I have to run but I will print them out and look closer at them tomorrow.

Craig, yes -- the half moon cut out would indicate the cowl is from a black radiator car (although I have a theory that during the transition when they had both brass radiator and black radiator cars being produced the body on the brass radiator cars also had the half moon cut out. That would allow the body to be dropped on either style chassis. But that is just a theory (guess) and I have NOT found any evidence to support that one or deny it.) I wonder if the

Respectfully submitted,
Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC


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