Here are the photos of my March of 1913, Monroe (Pontiac) bodied runabout. Several cars in the club have been cut off on the back and it is my hope that these photos will help the members trying to rebuild their cars. Let me know if I can provide any additional dimensions. They are my best effort at this point.
Brian Harlamoff in Santa Cruz
The photo below was measured from the side of the door opening with the door latch catch. It is measured from the outside edge of the metal that wraps around the wood. The purpose of this photo is to show the length of the body.
The purpose of this photo is to show the width of back of the body. It is outside of metal to outside of metal. It does not include the width of the mouldings.
The purpose of this photo is to show the location of the tail light bracket.
1)Shows the location of the fender bracket and body mount bracket. It is measured from the end of the body, less mouldings.
2)Height of the body at the very back. Looks like 4 inchs spot on.
A couple of detail shots.
This is the joint location. It is measured from the outside edge of the sheet metal of the back of the body.
And the width of the body at that point.
An attempt to show the width of the moulding.
Finally, a dumb fun photo of my freshly painted wheels. They were done outside, on a cold and windy day with the neighbor's dog chasing the goats in the pen next door!
Thanks for the great photos. Is the drivers side panel one stamping or is it two? The rear seat back is one piece all the way to the end of the deck ?
I blew it on one of the dimensions. The 24 3/4 inch measurement for the Joint Distance is measured from the door, not the back of the body. I will look at the body again today and give you an update. I have not stripped the paint yet so I am not sure.
Much appreciated, these pictures and measurements will be quite helpful.
Nice pictures! I wonder if there is a serial number stamped in the top of the seat frame? Second, I am confused by your statement that you have a "Monroe" Pontiac body. We are used to the Beaudette body company which was in Pontiac Michigan.
For Brian – great pictures and they will be a help to anyone wanting additional details on a 1913 roadster. I also shared a response to Royce – please make any corrections or additions that are appropriate.
For Royce – yes Brian’s car has a body number in the usual location for a pre-metal seat frame car. It is stamped into the wooden front sear frame in front of the gas tank area. I would recommend continuing the discussion of why Brian used the term Monroe (Pontiac) for his roadster body on the thread at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/47354.html I’m 90% sure that is where he came up with that nomenclature, although he may have discovered a more authoritative source since that posting. At that time I shared it was my “Theory” that the “M” was for Monroe Body Company which like the Beaudett (also spelled Beaudette) body company was located in Pontiac, Mich. I assume that is why Brian used Monroe (Pontiac) body. I asked if any other 1913 owners had an “M” bodied car or if anyone had additional information, but as of recently, there had been no additional postings. I’ll post a copy of this on that thread to bump it up for discussion. And hopefully someone near the archives will have the time to look at the accessions mentioned in the thread which may shed some additional light on what the “M” really stands for. What if any relationship the Monroe Body Company had with the Beaudett Body Company and why Ford used the term Pontiac for the bodies rather than Beaudett.
Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford Touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.
Another measurement that might be interesting is the distance from the ends of the top brackets across the seat or from the shoulders of these brackets(where the threaded part ends and the shoulder part starts). I would like to identify the builder of mine that was rewooded by the previous owner with no thought of saving the old wood, most of which was in great shape. One difference I noticed between your body and mine was the moulding that covers the break between the rear seat tin and the side deck tin. Mine did not have that piece but was leaded in that joint in the same manner as the countersunk screws in the other trim moulding.
My apologies if I confused people with my terms for identifying the body as a Monroe (Pontiac) body. I will call it a Monroe in the future. No doubt there were variations among the body builders. I see my car as a single data point in a spectrum of possibilities. I did look at the body again today to answer Warren's questions: The driver's side panel is in two pieces as well. The body joint is the same on both sides. I measured the distance from the back and they are located in the same place. The rear seat back is one piece of metal all the way back from where the upholstery tacks on to the very back. I believe that it stops just short of the end and butts up to the edge of the rear piece of metal where it folds over. Same thing with the width across the car. I will know more when I strip the paint and if I find anything interesting I will add to the thread. I will try to get the top brackets width in a couple of days. Best of luck with the cars. I am having lots of fun with mine.