As long as Rob has posted so much info on pre-T, especially 1907, I thought it would be good to see some of the competition that has survived.



This is a 2 cyl Model F, 1907.

I don't remember any other cars earlier than 1910 this year.

There were 1911 Cadillac, Ford, Olds and Pierce, and 1912 Ford and REO.

Thank you Ralph! I see the EMF racer on one side of the Buick. Do you know what is on the other side? It looks neat, the bit of the hood I can see reminds me of a Pope Hartford.
I gotta make that run some year soon.
Happy New Year! And do drive carefully. W2

I assume that whole steering column moves down to driving position after you sit down?

Going down the line, Wayne:

Oops: should have put these newer cars in the other thread. Will continue there for a few.

Nice, nice, cars. Thank you again, Ralph!

Ralph,

Great cars!

Have a great 2013,

Rob

Nice to see the 1907 Buick (first picture). I have this 1907 Model G. It is the same as the model F except a roadster.
Rich

My vote is for that beautiful Pope Harford. Thanks for posting.

If you saw the Thomas that has been on the HME in past years, you would throw rocks at the Pope. Wifey still talks about the style and cream color of that Thomas, although she hasn't seen it in several years.

I believe a lot of the early and valuable cars did not show Sunday, due to the "wild weather" that we escaped entirely.

Loren Burch, who hosted the dessert stop, and wife were seen driving Pasadena's mayor and vice mayor and wives in the Rose Parade in a 7 pax Lincoln Touring.

Here is a tiny sample of the cars in his garage:



For what it's worth, a couple of Duesy owners standing in front of this Model A said it's a much better driving car than the J, which is a truck by comparison.

Of course, you people haven't lived until you ride in a Ford Six!

Ralph,
More great photos. Thank you. So many nice cars.

Richard,
Beautiful Buick! I don't think I have seen a photo of that one before.

Herb,
No identification? I am pretty sure I know what it is (marque at least). (Do the initials S D sound simil-yar?

Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2

Here is the back of the postcard which is interesting in itself



By SD did you mean a car like this one?



Herb

The S-D was the pace car for the first Indy 500. Following one in the HME, I observed how top heavy and ungainly it appears on that 56" wheel track.



HME 2005, red Stoddard Dayton beside Leno's Mercer and the ol' brass picup just beyond.

Herb,

The picture you posted is of a Stevens Duryea, not a Stoddard Dayton. Great picture...thanks for posting!

Dan

Above, Erich asked about the steering column on the '07 Buick tilting. The housing on the left (first picture) is free to pivot on the two end plates (one shown to right). A dog locks into one of the six holes shown upper right in second picture, to hold the column in position. Spark and gas linkages shown are for '08 and later Model F and G Buicks. '07 and earlier used levers outside the steering column like the first Buick pictured. My car is one of the very last '07's and was fitted with the '08 style linkage.
Rich

Richard,
Thanks, I think. I must confess I only sort of wondered about how they made that tilting steering column work. It looks like an engineer's nightmare and I have enough nightmares already. Usually, when I look at those Buicks (I know several), I just wince and look away from the steering column. It is quite a setup. Maybe now that I've seen the inside of one, next time I look at one of the cars (if I ever start going on those tours again), I will look at that part of it a little closer.

The S D I was referring to was Stevens Duryea. The tip-off is how they split the name in the insignia which you can see at the top of the radiator. They used that insignia through about 1912 which can help identify them even when they went to a more conventional shaped radiator. Winton used a radiator very similar in appearance to the '07 Stevens Duryea, but not the same insignia.
Great stuff!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2

You mean like this, Wayne?



This pic was taken 3 years ago in Loren's garage, and I don't see it has been touched since.

Ralph,
Do you know what year that one is? I would guess '09? Yeah, you can see that insignia there, right below the filler neck.
When I first got into this hobby, you used to see Stevens Duryeas on HCCA tours quite a lot. I can recall at least one tour I saw (wasn't on) that had three of them. The last one I saw on a tour was Sam Gurnee's 1907 (just like the one on the postcard). He used to take it on Bay Area Horseless Carriage Club Regional Group's tours about once a year. (I hope I am wrong, but I doubt he is driving much anymore.)
I don't know why, but people just don't talk about Stevens Duryeas like they used to.
This has been a fun thread! Even a Metz! And a Stutz! Buicks, Pope, Studebakers, Overland. Two marques with the initials S D!
Thank you, Ralph!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2

Here is a 1907 Ford ad. I see that Ford was the largest producer of cars at just 55 cars per day. Also see that they say "sixes" were here to stay. Didn't turn out that way for Ford.



Jim