Starting a T in the cold?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 03:26 pm:

Just tried starting mine. It was a no-go. It fired fine a couple weeks ago but now it is considerably colder.

I've got it on the charger....Oh to have an actual car-sized shop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. J. "Art" Bell on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 03:55 pm:

Extreme -
Drain the oil and put it in a pot on the stove.
Drain the coolant and put it in a pot on the stove.
Jack up a back wheel (or both)
Replace oil and coolant when heated.
Start car Remove jacks.
Repeat daily . . .

Mild -
100 watt bulb (in appropriate guard) under the hood, blanket over the hood.

Easy way - (easy on - easy off)
Magnetic block heater on the crankcase -
One on the oil pan and one on the water jacket would be even better.

Easiest -
Wait for a warmer day ?

Regards
Art


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:16 pm:

Hey I like the light bulb idea. We used to do that for our chickens back in the day.

But wait for a warmer day? No chance! grin...

Thanks Art!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:27 pm:

It also helps to richen the mixture when starting in colder weather. Turn the carb rod 1/4 counterclockwise. (This is also mentioned in the owners manual.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Whaley, Georgetown Ontario Canada on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:40 pm:

Danial,

Nothing worse than having the itch to get the T out for a run, only to have it develop an attitude because it is cold out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:42 pm:

Halogen light under the crankcase for an hour should warm up the oil enough to get her started.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe bell on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:42 pm:

Danial, I had one that ran great but was an older engine, as soon as it got cold you had to drag it to get it to run, I did a fresh rebuild and now open the mixture a little, pull the choke and it pops right off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:56 pm:

What type of oil? I had a heck of a time in the cold with 30wt. non-d. Went to 10-30. Improvement!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang ~ Brentwood Bay, BC on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 04:59 pm:

I like to warm the intake manifold up with a propane torch.

But, you'll want to be careful when doing this, what with the carb having gas in it and all.

You can also warm the intake up by wrapping a small rope (like sash cord, or a boot lace) and sawing back and forth on it.

Both of these worked for my Coupe, and I found both in an old Popular Mechanics Shop Notes.

I always stuck a small kerosene lamp under the crank case, and put a blanket over the hood. A trouble light works great against the block too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen D Heatherly on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 05:31 pm:

I did this this morning. Block both front wheels. Jack up one back wheel. Open the mixture 1/4 turn, retard the timing, open throttle half way, put brake lever in neutral position, pull choke, hank crank engine 4 times, turn switch to magneto, and after two pulls the engine started.

Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 06:35 pm:

Danial,

You just need to stand behind the coupe so the headlights can't spot you and chant: I wish it was a Chebby; I wish it was a Chebby; If it doen't start-gonna trade for a Chebby. Seems to work for me. :-) Now if I can just get ME started in the morning. :-( Happy New Year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 06:42 pm:

Art,

You left off one from your easiest list. - Go to heated shop and start the car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 07:01 pm:

The jack on a rear wheel is a really good way to start a T when the oil is so stiff that you can not turn the crank, but you have to remember to take off the parking brake, or it really does not help. It is also a good idea to block the other rear wheel so it does not run off the jack. I also made a block of wood about an inch square with a slot cut in it to stick on the coke rad, so I can keep it choked while I crank it with the left hand. I would probably be easier to open the carb a bit, but I did not think of that until I read this thread.
Best
Gus


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 08:10 pm:

Daniel, I hate to burst your bubble, but its not cold where you live. If your car is difficult to start when the temp is near freezing, there is a mechanical problem. Even at the record low of 10F in your town for this date, a properly tuned T should only need a quarter turn mixture enrichment and three to four pulls of the crank with the ignition off and the choke out to prime, before starting.

If you want to learn about cold starting, stop by my place in late January, when is 20 below. You'll know it's cold when I caution you not to pull too hard on the crank for fear of flipping the T on its back (nearly did that once) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 08:38 pm:

I live on a hill. Starting my '16 Armstrong start touring is never a problem, as my driveway is about a quarter mile long and elevation changes about 200 ft. in that distance! I had to tow it back up the hill once but that was because I was out of gasoline!

Moving it out of the garage to the crest of the hill is the problem, but artillery wheels can be used as levers, I have found, and moving it in this fashion will warm the driver for the cold trip down the hill. Chug chug.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 02:04 am:

Thanks for all the great ideas guys, but I think I discovered the problem...unfortunately too late in the day to still go for a ride.

The plug-ins on top of the distributor cap were very corroded alnog with the ends of the plug wires.

I should have guessed - it's been the better part of a year or more since the last time I even looked at them.

If the chilly, clear weather holds tomorrow, I'm hoping to get it fired and actually get a ride out of her. Tomorrow is my last day off for this holiday season.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 02:15 am:

It was so cold when I was on my hike this morning, I saw a T Roadster drive by with the top up..

Dunno who it was.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 09:26 am:

Damm Ricks! That was cold! I drove my T roadster and it was around 26F (no prob starting) but I still did not put the top up. It will need to be a colder day in hell before I ever think to do that! Happy new year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Walker on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 09:38 am:

No top on either of my "Ts". On a regular basis folks say, "Isn't it too cold to ride with no top, no heat?" I tell 'em, "People do what they want to do. You have to want it to get it."

Supposed to drive the Bridgeport SPL to Chattanooga (300-mile round trip) next week for World of Wheels but, for once, will probably trailer it. I have to work at home, and I can't remove it from show to drive back and forth every day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 05:55 pm:

The 25 Tudor stared this morning at 9 degrees F. Jacked up right rear wheel and left it in high. Wheel acts as a flywheel.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 06:45 pm:

Mine started just fine after using the dremel to clean out corrosion where the plug wires attach to the distributor. Even managed to get a little ride in! But Carol was just too cold to enjoy herself so we made short work of it and came back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 08:58 pm:

Good onya Danial. You got in the first drive of the new year before me. I'm still at work but today is my friday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 09:07 pm:

Mine started the same at 35 as it does at warmer temps. I really hope I don't have to find out at any lower temp! :-) I had mine out Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 09:48 pm:

The other day at zero Fahrenheit my T fired right up and ran fine. Didn't do anything different than I did August to get it started. But then it was 62 degrees in the shop. It was when I backed it outside that I decided I didn't really want to go for a drive.


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