I get differing opinions on a couple of things as I reassemble my 1926 Model T roadster. I have been told not to bother installing the splash shields between the engine and the chassis as they will cause the engine to run hotter? I'm sure there will be differing opinions on this too but I can't help but wonder. Thank you!
Here is some info:
Some say that the engine runs cooler with them on some say the opposite. Maybe a vote would be in order??
You should always put on the engine pans. The right one will catch the drips from your manifold cooker. :-)
The splash shields help engine cooling and keep the engine cleaner. They do not interfere with any maintenance so far as I can see. On several occasions they have captured parts or tools that otherwise would have been lost forever.
I put engine pans on my Coupelet chassis (no body yet). Then when I wanted to open the drain valve on the bottom of the carburetor, I realized that that was not possible with the pan in place. I left that side off for now; will replace it later.
I had the engine pans on my '26 roadster pickup until I had to tighten the oil pan bolts. couldn't get to the top and the bottom at the same time without help, so I just took them off.Can't say it runs any different as far as heating, but I sure miss not having to climb under to retrieve whatever I dropped ;>) Steve
Those look nice to have on if you have a restored car. I have a friend that has them, the only thing is removing them for any work that involves that area.
I have them on the 1914 Town Car and on mine there is a hole under the carb to allow access for the drain. Mine look like those in the Mac catalog, even though I bought them at a swap meet.
Splash shields go between the running board and the body. Engine pans go between the frame and the engine. Splash aprons go under the radiator. Hope this helps!
Has anyone fabricated a "splash pan' not for "splashes" but for the purpose of catching oil drips....kinda like a T diaper?
Henry made them pans, and assembly line guys put them on, mechanics over and over worked on T's and put the pans on and off, not much work to do this.
When one sees a 'barn' T, if the pans are in place you know the mechanics or the owner took some patience and care with that original Lizzie
Service Manual photos of assembly
The complete look for a T engine, pans in place.
Whilst assembling my "new" 1913 I grabbed the old pans from my last '13. Oops, LHD pans will not fit onto a RHD car! Does anyone have a set of 1913 RHD pans sitting around you no longer want?
OOPS! Hi, Terry.
My 14 Touring has the "engine pans" on it and I like them. For whatever reason I can open the carb drain with them on and there is a small hole under the carb for the gas to drain out. On a long tour my oil cap came off and the pan held it till the next rest stop where I found it. If the pan was not in place I would have lost the nice original brass cap. They also make good tool holders for normal maintenance.
Hmm - the carb drain valve on my '15 is easy to open with the engine pans in place. Did you tighten yours with a monkey wrench Mike? Mine opens with a finger and a thumb, same way it closes.
My Dad, who rode in T's when they were new, and grew up around them, said NOBODY ever put them back on. He was sure that his Fordor had never had the engine out, because it had pans on it. I wish I would have never found both serial numbers while he was alive They do not match.
I follow one simple 'rule'...if it has engine pans when I buy it, they stay on...if no side pans when I buy it, I don't go look for a set to add.
I really find no differences in operation, maintenance, repair or even house keeping. Something extra to clean, but not a hassle.
On the '15, I 'think' the alignment of the hole mentioned by Mike might have something to do with the carb selected for use. For personal reasons, I run NH with offset bowl drain on all of my cars. Just makes life easier for me as they round-robin thru when needed on the various cars and are about the simplest/bullet-proof carb going. I 'can' get to the drain from below and still use fingers on the '15 with the side pans in place, but it 'would' be easier if I changed that to a center drain bowl. I don't know how the other make of carb would line up but a center drain sure looks like it would align, maybe not dead center but close enough.
My '15 has a 1/4" drain hole in the engine pan below the carb George. It would be pretty hard to get at from below........
The 1923 - 27 pans have a hand sized hole below the carb.
Do all the 26-7 pans have two hole below the carb? I assume on for the vaporizer, and another for the other?
I believe the two hole engine pans are for 1927, and were replacements for all T's toward the end. A true 1925-6 engine pan is the same, but with one hole, since they were still using NH'S and L-4's in '26. Tom Rootlieb just made me a custom one for my '25, and did a very nice job too. I just couldn't find one that was nice enough to restore.
Guess I learn something new every day...love reading this forum
I have never worried about engine pans as my previous post says, but alas...I just went out and crawled under the '15 as it is bucked up to a wall and covered for the winter behind the fordor and behind the hack and mine does have pans, but the right side pan has a huge hole under the carb. One punched that way or added with a knockout die.
I have always felt my '15 has been pretty pure as it was fairly low mileage known provenance when it finally came to me after a lifetime of waiting, and has all the correct do-dads to be a true '15 Roadster. I went in the tranny just this past summer for the first time and was really surprised, clean as a whistle, no visual wear, smooth as silk, etc. But now...I think it may have a later pan on that side....sigh.
No challenge, just a request for help now that you brought it up. On the '15, I'd like for the pan to be right (boy does this tiger change his stripes quick on pans...hah!) as the rest of the car is and while not Rip Van Winkle, nearly unmolested otherwise.
I just did a quick look-up in my 'stuff' for future mental reference on what to be on the lookout for and the best I can come up with is this, as fuzzy as it is. From the 1915 parts book.
Can you explain what the right pan shows as what looks to be some kind of cut-out, or show a pic of the right side on your '15? I don't have anything else close I can go look at.
Yes, the illustration in the parts book is accurate. The little black dot is the drain hole. It is actually 3/8", still too small to use to open the drain valve on the carb.
The pan from the '15 is off for repairs, it cracked pretty badly. I have to do some welding on it.
Lang's offers a fairly accurate looking reproduction:
Thank you very much!
I couldn't figure out what the picture was showing for the right...its a pocket with a hole!
Got it, stored in memory and if I do forget, I'll at least remember where.
You'd think it would run hotter with the pans but I guess that's what the hood louvers were for. They were there on two '23 Tourings and a '27 Tudor. They stayed in place.