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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 11:42 pm:

I'm doing a little research (big surprise, can you tell two of our cars are apart?) and keep coming up with more early Ford contest info. This account is about a contest held in 1908 in Minneapolis. The second day ....well you can read about it.

The winner of the rain soaked event is a Thomas Flyer 40hp and the second and third place finishers are Ford sixes (says 30 hp, of course we know Ford only offered 15 hp N/S or 40hp K at this time). If you notice, the top K driver in each story is George Doerr. He has the fastest heat time in the 1906 account, but is unable to go against the second heat winner. I wonder if he was a Ford agent? And, if he still has a 1906 K in the 1908 race?

There may be a K for you, Lance or Mike to find out there yet :-).

Hope our summer excursions aren't like this.

Rob

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 11:50 pm:

The Thomas 40 should be one of these if it's a 1908.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 11:55 pm:

"I hope New London to New Brighton is never like this."

Afraid of a little challenge? Only one car fell off a bridge, so it couldn't have been too bad. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 12:33 am:

Derek,

I hope my biggest challenge is getting across the street from the place formerly known as Melvin's on the Green to my room.

I found that other contest. George Doerr finished 1st in the 10 (?) mile for dealers contest with his Ford six.


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 12:41 am:

It's interesting that as late as 1908 Minnesota was still considered in the Northwest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 12:46 am:

Steve, George Doerr was involved in all three contests with his K. Maybe we better go "up there" and find it? I was in MN last week :-).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:14 am:

If George Doerr was a resident of Minneapolis, I may be able to look up his Minneapolis license plate number (my dad has an original public directory of Minneapolis automobile owners through June 1908). I believe he is the George Doerr that was an officer with the Minneapolis Drug Company.

If he still owned the Model K in 1909, it is possible to look up his Minnesota license plate registration in the original ledger at the Minnesota Historical Society (1909 was the first year for state issued plates). The serial numbers were usually, but not always recorded so it may be possible to obtain the serial number.

Although the last article says Minneapolis, the automobile races at Hamline were actually held at the horse race track at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds during the fair. The fairgrounds are located in what was originally Hamline township but is now Falcon Heights, a suburb of St. Paul.

Here are racing heavyweights Walter Christie and Ralph DePalma at the Hamline track in 1908. I don't know the story behind J.A. Clark.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:24 am:

Also -

Here is the obituary for George V. Doerr, Jr., son of George Doerr of the Minneapolis Drug Company I mentioned above, who passed away in 2006.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/startribune/obituary.aspx?n=george-v-doerr&pid= 19913005#fbLoggedOut

If you were ambitious, you could contact his children and see if they have any photos of the Model K in question.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:39 am:

That's a cool picture Erik!

Here's one of me racing in the infield of that same track (or what's left of it), about 102 years later.

The photographer's even standing in about the same spot, just facing the opposite direction. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:53 am:

There's more. All from a 1906 Minneapolis Journal.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Nebraska on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 02:04 am:

George racing an Orient, May, 1903. Evidently he had "a need for speed".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 03:54 am:

That's a real monster Christie was driving. He went on to design a tank for the US Army, but they would not have it, so he helped the Soviets build it - the T-34, which mauled the German Tanks in WWII, which in turn killed the US Shermans in great quantities.

Hmm, I wonder if the NJ Guv'nor is a descendant?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, Minnesota on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 09:56 am:

Rob, Now you have my attention! It appears the Ford 40 is tougher then what we have been told.

As far as the race being held on bad roads, this would be pretty much normal for the annual Eric Hylen 4th of July tour! However, on most any tour you will find Mike going off a bridge :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 12:54 pm:

A lot of prominent Minneapolis residents in all those newspaper articles, such as the Pillsburys - too much information for me to elaborate here on the forum.

I actually have photos of A.T. Rand's Autocar mentioned in the last article above. The Rand family owned the Minneapolis Gas Light Company. My dad knows a relative of the Rand's chauffeur. Last summer, my dad was loaned a family photo album which included photos of the Rand cars and we identified the year of the automobiles and researched the license registrations.

A.T. Rand owned larger and substantially more expensive cars including a Royal Tourist and a 1904 Pope Toledo. The Autocar was actually owned by his son, Kennith Rand who was 12 years old in 1903.

The photos below were taken at A.T. Rand's lake home in Ferndale, which is an area in the town of Wayzata on Lake Minnetonka.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 01:05 pm:

Here are two pictures of the Hamline track/Minnesota State Fairgrounds from the same photo album referenced in my prior post.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 02:22 pm:

Rob,
There you have it; NLNB and St. Cloud are safe, but beware of Mankato!

Keep it coming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 01:32 am:

Great stuff!
Lots of great stuff!
Thank you all.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


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