Two questions today..........

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: Two questions today..........
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 04:12 pm:

Hello,

Today, I have two questions for your consideration.

1 / What do you think of Engine Splash Pan ? There on my 1912, and I wonder if they do not interfere with the airflow to the radiator outlet. Is that the engine does not cool off better if I do not go back?

2 / On the "manifold", there is a small pipe that was welded. This tube was connected with a small valve mounted on the dashboard, which was opening a call for air.
What was the value system?

Here is a picture of the manifold.


Olivier (France)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 04:33 pm:

As to the pans it's a can of worms Olivier. Some say it runs cooler others not. Had 3 T's. All had pans and all ran normal. I'd leave 'em if they are there. Probably meant to keep road stuff out of the eng. bay. The hood louvre's are for cooling. That is a heck of a large pipe on the manifold. Could it have been for an accessory like vacuum wipers? I've never seen one before. Other's to follow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 04:35 pm:

#2. This was either for use in running a vacuum type windshield wiper motor or, for an oil injection system that was a somewhat popular aftermarket add-on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 04:35 pm:

Oliver,

1)Your choice - some people use them, some do not
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/333214.html?1357604531

2) yes, a source of vacuum...for windshield wipers? horn? maybe for gasoline delivery?
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/43286.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 05:51 pm:

Typical aftermarket Trico type Vacuum Wipers used a 1/4" tube connection with the port brazed in that location. That does look a little large!

I have also seen the classic cheap 'wolf whistle' modified to be mounted the same way on a T and to draw vacuum for its sound.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 06:12 pm:

Any number of reasons we find 'holes' drilled in Model T intake manifolds.

Vacuum wipers or Wolf Whistles would be a rather rare reason :-)

Most were for adding a simple right angle petcock with a bowl to add fuel directly to ease starting in cold weather.

Some were to add air for more gasoline mileage, others to add water/vapor for the same reasons, or to reduce carbon in the cylinders.....lots of holes in manifolds :-)










Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 09:33 pm:

Good responses to the questions above!

Olivier,
How is the family doing? It is wonderful to hear that you are working on the 1912.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 04:35 am:

Dan

There are many possible explanations. I think it was used as an air intake valve on the runing board is not connected to any tank. You might be right, it is to send air and fuel economy.
Anyway, I'll plug the hole and return to its original.

Wane

I work on the restoration of 1912 because I no longer have any model T roadworthy. There are still a lot of work on the 1912 and it will not be ready to participate in the annual concentration of T Ford in France. Repair of 1924 has not yet begun. For now the insurance has not yet done so are working to assess the rate of repair. This may last much longer. In France it is like in all countries, I guess. Insurance take a long time to pay after an accident. They always find an excuse to postpone the payment. For the moment they are unable to find an expert can tell them what was the value of my Ford then everything is blocked.

For my wife Pascale, she began to set foot on the ground and walks with crutches. His ankle is still blocked and it will have to learn to walk like that. For now she is eager to drive his car again and return to work; friends that he will have to wait a bit.

Thank

Olivier


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthonie Boer on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 04:48 am:

Olivier ,Pascale and boy;
Olivier: That pipe and valve is for more gasoline mileage and more RPM. Neil Tuckett has one on one of his T's .
We hope we see you all three this summer.
Toon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthonie Boer on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 06:51 am:

Olivier ; Unbelievable what insurance companies can find for reason not to pay . That they can not find an expert is a BIG LIE .
On our '12 I have the Engine Pans and have no problem with cooling, and of course no Waterpump
Toon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jem Bowkett on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 07:55 am:

I have them on my car, they are a good place to collect oil, gasoline and small parts. Also useful if you drop a tool, saves going under the car to get it. And they should be there because Mr Ford put them there!

I think they may reduce airflow on an early car with no hood louvres.

Je les ai sur ma voiture, ils sont un bon endroit pour recueillir l'huile, l'essence et les petites pièces. Également utile si vous laissez tomber un outil, permet d'économiser de passer sous la voiture pour l'obtenir. Et ils devraient être là parceque M. Ford les a mis là!


Je pense qu'ils peuvent réduire les flux d'air sur une voiture tôt sans ouïes de capot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 08:27 am:

Here's the way I see it.
Henry Ford could squeeze a penny so hard, he could make 5 cents out of it. If the Model T came with splash pans, there was probably a reason for it.
Things have changed, roads have changed. The question should be are splash pans necessary NOW.
If you're bound and determined that your car is going to be as it was when it rolled off the factory floor, then YES, they are necessary. If not, NO they probably aren't.
My conclusion would be that if you are going to spend the considerable time effort and money to perfectly restore a Model T to show room new and then drive it through fields and ford streams with it, you might as well put the original splash pans back on it too, right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 12:10 pm:

I will keep the splash pan, anyway it is more than 100 years they are in place on this Ford so I'll leave it for another 100 years. Anyway I'm trying to restore the original perfectly.
The splash pan were in very poor condition, cracked in many place. I have completely resoldered, reformed and chewed. Now it only remains the prime and paint.

thank you

Olivier


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 04:14 pm:

Olivier,
I am so grateful that the injuries were not worse. It could have been a lot worse. It is taking quite a long time to heal and get back where they should be. My prayers are still with them. I am also grateful that you sound as though you will continue with the cars and the hobby. I have hesitated to ask about the T. I feared it would be lost. It is very definitely restorable and can be again every bit as nice as it was. For now, it is good you have that remarkable 1912. To have survived so long where it did is amazing, and quite rare.
Good luck to you and your family, in all you do.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


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