Holes in 1921 Model T Roadster

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L.E. VanOrmer on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 06:26 pm:

Hi everybody! We just bought this car to restore.
We cannot figure out what the holes in the body are for. They are located behind passenger door and and drivers' side high and low towards the rear near the trunk. They seem to be original and receive a 1/2 or 5/8 Threaded bolt or bracket. Does anyone have a clue? Appreciate the help THANK YOU!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 06:42 pm:

Top bow saddle support rods?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L.E. VanOrmer on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 07:36 pm:

What about the bottom hole?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 07:42 pm:

Photos ?

"Bottom" hole sounds as though someone put together a body from bits & pieces as the rear touring quarters would have the hole for the fender iron to screw into.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L.E. VanOrmer on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

what about the bottom holes?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jared Buckert on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 07:53 pm:

L.E., Some pictures would help us identify these "bottom holes" You're asking about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L.E. VanOrmer on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 08:27 pm:

We cannot down load the pictures the system won't let us any ideas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 08:46 pm:

L.E.

I noticed this is your first posting so welcome to the forum, hobby, and a fun world of Model Ts!

From your description I suspect Jack is correct. But I would also guess if this is your first T you do not know what the Top bow saddle support is. If that is the case please see the photos below:

Is the hole similar to the two shown in the body below? (Thank you Bob McDonald for posting the photo.)



If so, those are the holes for the top rest bracket to fit through. Shown below is a photo from R.V. Anderson’s rewooding article in the Nov – Dec 1987 “Vintage Ford” used by permission to promote our club and hobby.



And below is a photo from a 1924 Roadster the Mark at Model T Haven has for sale on his web site (http://www.modelthaven.com/cars1.html ) that shows the top bracket screwed through the body panel and into the threaded bracket on the inside of the body. It is holding up the top bows.



If that is not what you are talking about, then please post some photos and I’m sure someone will be able to help you figure it out. And if you need some help in posting photos please see:

Some threads on resizing. I’m sure one of the ways they suggest will work for you also.

This one sounds easy: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/239351.html

Some additional choices:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/223627.html

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/216043.html

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/237500.html

Plan B – if you send me a copy of the photo I’ll try to post it on this thread for you. If you click on my name at the beginning of this posting it brings up my profile. My e-mail is the third line down. You cannot send an attachment via the Private Message (or at least I haven’t figured out how to do that).

Note in general I do not believe the 1921 roadsters would have used that style of top rest support, although in 1921 the touring cars did start to use that type of top rest support. Most of the Model Ts I have seen had parts from different years and even body styles. Not to worry – they are all a lot of fun to drive. And if you are restoring it, you have a lot of choices of what and how to restore the car.

And just in case you are looking at a touring rear seat section below is a photo of one of them (on a 1925 car but starting during 1921 to 1925 they had the top bracket coming out of the rear panel of the tourings). Again from Model T Haven a long time ago.



Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 08:50 pm:

Oops - lost the red arrows on the last photo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 08:51 pm:

There are no 'bottom" holes in a genuine 1921 Ford Runabout body but there are "bottom" holes in the later Touring rear quarters for the
screw-in rear fender irons.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L.E. VanOrmer on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 09:03 pm:

Thanks everybody we think we have two cars in one! Is there a difference between a roadster and a runabout?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 09:23 pm:

Two names for the same thing.

Welcome to the affliction. Here are a couple of links for all new T owners.

http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG80.html

http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG79.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 09:25 pm:

L.E. From a practical standpoint for Model Ts no -- many folks use the term runabout and roadster interchangeably. And the few folks that really want to use the term that Ford originally used still understand what you mean.

Ford actually used the term Runabout for the convertible top car that sat two people and Roadster for the convertible top car that had the front seat and a mother-in-law seat. And in 1928 with the introduction of the Model A Ford they called the car with the convertible top that sat two people a roadster.

See: http://mtfca.com/books/17Cat.htm -- runabout and http://mtfca.com/books/12Cat.htm roadster as well as torpedo runabout. See also: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/intro.htm and the years you are interested in.

If you have a project or a car that was assembled by someone other than Ford -- you could have a lot of different parts and for that matter parts from different makes of cars. For example you can fit Overland front spindles or Chevy front spindles to your Ford front axle etc.

I'm sure once you post some photos and/or have someone look at what you have it will be much easier to sort out.

Again welcome aboard.

Respectfully submitted,

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