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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2013: OT Model A not running
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 06:27 pm:

Here is a question for all the smart mechanics out there.

This is about a Model A with a Model B motor. The motor has good compression, has been rebuilt, and is in good shape, but it is not running. It will start and run for a few seconds and then quit. The fuel line has been checked, the carburetor replaced twice, the ignition system replaced twice, the voltage checked, and the exhaust system checked for blockage. The mechanic who rebuilt the motor can't figure it out.

I am 2,000 miles away or I would look at it in person.

Any ideas?

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 06:44 pm:

I should add: new intake manifold gaskets.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 06:50 pm:

Runs the same with a gallon can hooked to the carburetor.

Spark plugs have been changed.

New coil, condenser, distributor.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 07:18 pm:

Float sticking shut? Just a thought.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mahlon hawker on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 07:25 pm:

Main jet not open far enough and the engine starts on the excess fuel from choking?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Harold - Noblesville, IN on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 07:48 pm:

I'd say either a bad coil or a bad condenser.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J and M Machine Co Inc on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:02 pm:

I would suggest checking the wires inside the distributor body.
We had one and the internal wire would come in contact with the body and short out as you have stated


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:09 pm:

You said Model B,....that means fuel pump, right? Or are you feeding the carburetor via gravity feed as in Model A? If you are using the Model B fuel pump, maybe it'll run better with gravity feed like a Model A which might indicate a fuel pump problem,.....just a thought,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harris, Huntington Beach California on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:24 pm:

I had a similar problem with a Model A. The condenser would fail once it warmed up. I had replaced it but the new one was defective. Just a thought. Also, fuel delivery... line blockage will allow engine to run for a few moments. The engine dies, then by the time you check the carb, it has re-filled. This happened with my '13 Speedster. Coating the gas tank fixed that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:43 pm:

A little OT: my Dad had a Model B pickup, probably bought in the 1930s. The motor went bad, so it was replaced with a Model A motor. He sold it with his washing machine business in summer of 1947. This was in Ashland, Oregon.

Has anybody seen a red Model B pickup with A engine, and a Maytag painted on the doors?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:49 pm:

Thanks for all the comments.

All the ignition and fuel system components were changed out at least once. No change when run with gallon can gravity feed.

I suspect that a new component, such as a condenser or carburetor, is bad. Most likely something in the carburetor. The owner said that it ran longer when choked, which indicates to me a problem with the float valve. He did everything in the book to try and get it running.

Anyway, it is mute point now as it has been sold to someone else. It was on Craigs List. A nice Fordor sedan for about half the going price. In Iowa. I am currently in southern California, so it would have been expensive to go see it. I am sure I could have fixed it and had a nice A for half price. Oh well.

Thanks again.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Mahaffey on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 08:51 pm:

The fact that it will run for only a few seconds makes it less likely a fuel-delivery problem. If the line is clogged, the bowl will fill slowly, but on a full bowl the engine will run a while.

More likely ignition is being shorted out by wiring or the distributor internals being jiggled by engine vibration. Does it have the factory switch wire to the distributor? If so, does it have the big grommet on it at the wiring box on the dash? If not (they are often left off because repos don't fit), then the shield on the switch-wire is bumping against a connector stud in the wiring box and shorting out your ignition when the engine starts vibrating.

It's hard to diagnose at a distance, but we try to be helpful.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 09:29 pm:

How far is he opening the GVA (the one you open and close using the choke rod)? Should be about 1 full turn from seat to start maybe more on a new engine, then about 1/4 to 1/2 turn from seat running.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 10:10 pm:

James,

Ignition switch was bypassed and still ran the same. Wire was run directly to the distributor from the battery.

Mark,

The mixture control was turned from shut to several turns open.

All,

This is a tough one as all the usual things have been tried. Like I said, it was sold, so it no longer is on my radar. I will try to get an up date if it gets fixed and report back.

Neil


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