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I am hoping that you may be able to help id the car in the attached picture. The caption with the picture said that the picture was taken about 1925 and was a new car.
With a low radiator, small apron, and one-man top, I'd say it's a '23.
But if it's a two-man top (I can't really tell), it's a '23 or earlier.
I do not think that car was new in 1925. The radiator appears to be a low which means early 1923 and earlier. Also the top and windshield is not 1925. (strap holding top to windshield is not 1925)
Also the radiator seems to be a replacement honey comb? Accessory shocks could have been a dealer add on???
OK, it looks like a two-man top. The later ones didn't have the hold-down straps to the windshield. And I'm thinking the radiator has been replaced with a honeycomb one, so it may not be a new car after all.
I knew that if I waited long enough, someone else would be typing the same thing at the same time. Good eye, Willie.
Maybe the caption meant new to the person
Low radiator says early 1923 or before. #3947-B radiator shell says 1917-1923. The absence of #3977 radiator apron says before 1923. Does the windshield lean back (1923)? I don't think so, but it's hard to tell from the front view.
Since it does not have cowl lights, I would guess it came with a starter, if so, it would be 1919 or later.
The fluted "H" lenses came in june 1921, so the car may have be made later than that - if original lenses. Maybe the proud owner wrote "my new car" on the back of the photo even if it wasn't factory new - perhaps it was new to him
The one man top was introduced in september 1922 in USA, so if it's an american produced car perhaps we can narrow it down to approximately model year 1922?
That T is a 1922. Electric start.
Two man top, you can see easily the front top bow mount, on the passenger door. Straight windshield, with straps to the top.
Has several accessories, honeycomb radiator, phenolic plastic radiator cap, Hassler shocks.
T in the background,non-electric start,has oil side lamps, and lens look like visor style accessory too.
Iowa plate white on black so plate would be 1924 ??
Black and white photo so bit of a guess, but looks like a '4' to me.
I agree with Dan Trace.
ALSO - you folks missed an interesting detail - the Jantzen diving girl decal on the windshield.
This isn't the first time we have seen that:
I'm going to say it's a '22, because of the straight windshield. The late '22s and early '23s had the slanted windshield. It also has the new design rear curtain.
I'd say it's a '22.
It's definitely not earlier than a 1921. No one here pointed out the cast one piece front engine/spring mount which appeared in 1921. And Mike, I believe you are correct. It most definitely is a 1922.
Thanks to all of the people that has responded to my inquiry.
In an effort to help clarify things, I went back to the picture that I scanned and sent, and discovered that I miss stated the status of the car. I should have said his first car, not new car.
The picture that I had scanned was a reprint. I have been going through and scanned pictures and papers that my parents had acquired over the years, both before and while they were working on family history. The man in the picture is a 1st cousin 1x removed of mine. And his daughter was wondering about the car.
I have not come across the picture that my reprint was made from yet, as I have several boxed to scan yet. But someplace in a box I will find it and rescan it.
Again, thanks for your and everyone else's help.
Art, here is an idea of what the plates would look like in B/W:
Based on the number sequence and the color I think the plate can be a 1923, 1926 or 1927. Since the photo was taken in 1925 the plate must be a 1923.
The car must be 1923 or earlier as a more recent car couldn't be issued a 1923 plate (except for a few 1924 cars produced in 1923... so I guess technically the car is 1924 or earlier).
My uninformed $0.02
If you'll notice the top of the windshield is radiused. With a two man top, low radiator and previous mentioned observations, it's an electric start 1922. I've got it's non-electric brother out in the shed. Though mine has the starter on it now.