What color were early inner tubes (Painting)

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 12:34 pm:



I'm working on another painting and in the upper right I am putting some old inner tubes and wondering what color they would have been in the early teens. They look white in old photos but might have been a gray. I've seen red and carmel colored ones but assumed they were from the 20's or 30's.
Does anyone have any ideas on tube colors or pictures?
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Wolf on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 12:53 pm:

Red


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 01:32 pm:

I think the red ones are 1930's or later. I would say tan or grey for real old ones. Same as old tires - made from natural rubber.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 01:44 pm:

I have also see red ones in the Model T size, but they might have been replacements as my dad had model T's long before I was born and the red tubes were in his stash.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 02:12 pm:

"Red" is the color....the best inner tubes of the day, cost the most were the thick red rubber tubes.

Firestone Adv 1916 Automobile.
note the 'red' tubes adv in the copy.





And Firestone played off the 'red' is best with red side wall tires too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 02:19 pm:

Wow! I like the detail in that painting. From the work benches and construction to even a few low tires. Great work Richard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 02:20 pm:

Here are a couple more.

1916 Liberty Auto Supply catalog, New York





These are neat....red thread on the tires for Ford!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Crouch on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 02:44 pm:

That oil stained garage floor looks like my oil stained garage floor!!! LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Deckman, Ogden Utah on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 04:06 pm:

Wish I could get a painting like that done of a brass 16 T in some sort of scene.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 04:20 pm:

Thanks for the information guys and the kind words too. I'm always amazed at the depth of knowledge on the forum. I like the red and have a few red tubes so I will change them to red.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 04:54 pm:

Richard, do you sell your paintings / prints? This one is awesome! Is this finished or are you going to put brass car being fixed over the oil spots?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 05:05 pm:

Dan T did a nice job of showing the proof of red tubes being that early.
Richard, You are also right about caramel colored and almost white colored tubes. I have seen both and still have a small piece of a near translucent caramel colored tube. I pulled the remains of it out of a tire about forty years ago.
I wish more people had tried to save old tires and tubes, even pieces of them. I once saw a gray tread/bright green wall tire hanging on a collector's garage wall inside. It was about a 28X3 and shriveled from age.
Gray and red-wall tires were more common, however we are still talking about nearly a hundred years ago now when they were new and in use. When those things were still showing up around swap meets, most hobbyists were just throwing them away. I guess most people thought no one would ever really care what a tire used to look like.
Great artwork, Richard!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 05:54 pm:

I love Richard's paintings and think he should produce a Model T calendar with them on. Or sell copies of your paintings thru the museum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 06:48 pm:

Richard (I'd like prints if you ever do them)
This is from the 1922 Western Auto Supply Company "Ford Owners Supply Book" with 129 pages.
Not as early as you ask.
#1 Jumbo Extra Thick Red tubes.
#2 Blue Ribbon Extra Quality inner tubes,in Gray and Red(note that red cost more)
#3 Pharis Paramold Jumbo extra thick tubes "shown in red" (and 10,000 mile tires for $14.95)
#1
#2
#3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 07:53 pm:

I took a red one out of my '17 torpedo runabout a couple years ago. My dad put the tires on in 1951 they were Wards Riverside brand. The tubes also have Wards Riverside on them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 07:57 pm:

The tubes in my 22 TT tires were red, Truck first sold in 1925,... but I'm not sure they were original... but likely were. It was retrofitted with AA wheels in the 30's and the original 32X41/2 tires were with the truck when I bought it, worn out and had red tubes...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Katy, Texas on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 09:56 pm:

This is directed to Ken Kopsky and Richard Eagle. Ken, I agree with you. Richard's attention to detail is amazing. At first glance, I thought I was looking at a color photo. Richard, You must have a lot of time in that amazing painting. If somehow, maybe on photo shop on a computer, you could interject paintings of different members and their cars into that painting, I bet you could sell a bunch. I'd be in line.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 10:32 pm:

To answer some of the questions and comments about the painting, we did put a calendar together for this year and sold enough through the Vintage Ford ad and some local stores and museums to pay for printing. We gave the rest away to friends and family. I enjoy working on the cars and doing the paintings but printing and marketing are more work to me than enjoyment and are a distraction from what I like to do. Most of my friends who enjoy the paintings would rather spend their money on old car parts than a painting that took several hundred hour to do. I don't blame them. I've had more fun showing the paintings at local shows and on this forum than trying to make any money.
There are so many wonderful black and white photos that inspire me. The tricky part is trying to put realistic color into paintings from those photos. Thanks to those who have responded.
I think the painting is about finished except for some color changes. There was a suggestion to put a town car in it which I wish I had thought of originally.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 04:44 pm:

When I replaced the tubes in my original '07 Autocar the tubes were red. Crunchy but red!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 06:36 pm:

I have at least one tube that is off white. I guess I'll have to dig it out for proof seeing as nobody else has one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 07:28 pm:



This is from a 1911 Sears catalog.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Driscoll on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 07:46 pm:



This 1916 Times Square Automobile Co. catalog still shows grey tubes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Button III (Chip), Lake Clear, NY on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 11:22 pm:

Another great one!! Thanks Richard....Chip


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 10:55 am:



Thanks again Guys. Here is the latest version with red tubes and a few more parts. When I dug out my old red tubes I could see why people didn't save them. They are disintegrating with time and exposure to the air.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 02:39 pm:

Richard E,
Looks good! I am still amazed at how wonderful your paintings look!
I have tried to save a few red inner-tubes. I think I still have a couple stashed inside old tires to help them survive. I don't know how else to preserve them or how much longer they will last. That nearly translucent caramel colored gum type tube I still have part of came out of a tire a long time ago. It had ripped just by removing the rim from the tire and came out in pieces. I bagged it and boxed it for keeping. A few years later, when I looked at it, about half of it had turned into a gummy puddle. It keeps shrinking, not a lot of it left.
The rear end housings on the loft look to be early?
Again, beautiful artwork! Thank you for sharing it with us.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 03:22 pm:

Wayne, Yes those are supposed to be early axle housings. I've tried to keep this painting in the early teens but I do have a HHCT, a closed valve engine and a tapered transmission cover in it.
I agree with you, the best place to store inner tubes is inside tires. I spent a few days last summer patching old tubes and mounting them in old tires on old rims just to preserve them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Floyd Voie - Chehalis, Washington on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 08:53 pm:

In an antique store today I saw a vintage Packard bicycle with all red tires, the same color as the red tubes shown above. I don't recall ever seeing red bicycle tires before........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 09:01 pm:

Speaking of inner tubes, I don't care what color they are, as long as they work! There were some a couple of years back, what were terrible. I think they said EEU on them. I wish Coker and Lucas would now supply tubes without a stem, so we can install our own valve stems on them. The new vulcanized metal stems are awful, and the wrong size too!


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