Old cars at the bottom of lakes

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:29 pm:

I'll bet most of the lakes up north have at least one vintage car on the bottom as a result of driving on thin ice after a few too many drinks. Is there anyone who makes a living or a hobby from salvaging vintage lake cars? Some of those lakes stay pretty cool all year round so the cars might be fairly well preserved. Just a thought. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:35 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:36 pm:

Sorry, Jim. I could not resist. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:53 pm:

Hey Jim, there's a 1934 Chevrolet coupe in Leech Lake in Northern Minnesota. It's laying on it's side and there is some deterioration. There was a video on youtube showing some diver swimming around it take photos. There's several stories of antique equipment at the bottom of some of the iron mine pits. One of them is the Original Greenway mine which is behind the Lind and Greenway pits just North of Grand Rapids. It's documented and I've talked of several people who've dived down to an old Steam train engine on the bottom of the pit. There's also a lot of old logging equipment that's been abandoned in the woods. We use to come across some of it deer hunting. They were old stationary steam engine used for skidding logs. I also heard a story once about a guy up around Marcell MN who had a junk yard right next to the old clubhouse on the North side of Clubhouse lake. The story goes that the government stepped in and told him to clean the mess up. It was just before WWII. So in order to get rid of them he took them out on the ice on the lake and in the spring they disappeared. The guy's name was "Old Dog Mike". My Dad knew him but he died about the time I was born. My Dad said when they went to get Mike's body out of his shack after he died, they shot over 50 dogs in order to get to the body and when they found him he was chewed all to heck. There's also stories of Ferry's full of cars going down in the Great Lakes. For years the bars up North in several states have put cars on the ice and took bets as to what day and time the car would disappear. I believe now the bars are responsible for pulling the cars out of the lakes so they hook a long cable on them and drag them out with a winch. However they havein't always drug them back out. Back years ago they just sunk into the lakes and they lay on the bottom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:53 pm:

Whoever allowed me to find that meme generator has unleashed something dangerous, I'm afraid....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:54 pm:

Hey Ed, that's pretty funny. And a lot more entertaining than the load of bullsh_t I just put on this thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 02:59 pm:

I know of one lake in South West Michigan (Little Smith Lake in Eau Claire) that has either a T or an A that went through the ice new. Don't know if they ever got it out but an elderly man told me twenty years ago that he was ice fishing with his dad as a boy and remembers that the son of the Ford dealer in the town of Dowagiac (about 8 miles away) drove one (unsure of the model) across the lake and it went through the ice. Most of that lake is about 12 feet deep.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JAMES STARKEY Naperville, IL on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 01:40 am:

There's an entire ferryload of new 1929 Kissel cars at the bottom of Lake Michigan. They're 200 ft down in frigid waters so they remain pretty much unmolested. See youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2zetFm-iYs

'Best to watch this with no sound (stupid music sound track)' Jimmy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 09:52 am:

This reminds me of the story a friend told me, he was out fishing on a lake with Ole, his cousin. Ole fell overboard, so Sven reeled in his line and stowed his fishing pole, then jumped in to save Ole, as he could not swim. He got Ole back into the boat, but he was not breathing, so he gave him mouth to mouth. After working on him for a few minutes with out luck, he exclaimed "Ole, you sure have bad breath, and I do not remember you wearing that snowmobile suit!"
Best
Gus


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lance Sorenson, North Carolina on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 10:21 am:

Mike, I heard the story of the Butterfield, Minnesota thrashing club find a Lombard steam engine in a lake by Park Rapids. They wanted to rescue it but the DNR wouldn't give them permission to rescue this very important relic from the logging days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Given - St. Paul, MN on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 12:16 pm:

My dad talks about being a kid up north (northern Minnesota) of a story of a guy who bought a Stanley Steamer, on his madden drive home he crashed it pulled it home and parked it in his barn. For years my dad said he would go out on all northern veterinarian runs (Grandfather was a country vet one of only two in the northern part of the state). In those days they did a lot of trading for services. He really wanted that Stanley and was hoping to locate it and trade for vet services.

He never did find it.

As for cars in lakes, he has spoken of many that he and his friends lost as kids.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 02:40 pm:

Supposedly a few were lost running booze across the frozen Detroit river during prohibition.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 03:37 pm:

There was a story in one of our club magazines about 30 years ago of a Model T chassis being pulled out of a deep mining hole/ lake There was no rust because of the lack of oxygen. They had the engine running the same day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Danuser on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 06:53 pm:

Darrel that car is in our club, His wife is our club secretary, it is now a speedster, neat Kingdom Of Callaway MTFCA funded in 1976, I'm the last founding member and I started in 1966, MTFCA # 2088


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dennis on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 01:17 am:

A short story; My grandfather worked for the RR in Conn. then retired and bought a service station in New Rochelle New York. Local folks would come in and ask if Big Freddie could help them. He would take thier old T or A in as trade and for a few dollars send the folks on their way in something more "reliable". Well he had a buddy up state that had a dairy farm. Weekends they would go up there and deposit more and more cars. In the winter they would take them out on the lake and race them. When the ice wore thin or broke they would bail out and go get another. My father having proposed to my mother was given a deck of pink slips to pick out the wedding present. He chose a 1930 A pickup. Fine choice my Papa told my dad - we'll go up and get it next weekend (c1961). Well the mailbox name was different and they had not spoken for several months due to a arguement probably over a gal and they found a empty barn. The buddy past on and the estate was liquidated. Family says about 50+ cars. So I am doing my best to rebuld the family Ford collection one at a time on the Left Coast today.

Moral - You Easterners look in the lakes in upper NY state and you may indeed find gold.

True story. - Papa's name was Fred Zavatkay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 02:09 am:

We had a bit of a yak about this one a few years ago.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mattthew G California on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 02:21 am:

Even in California there are lakes that preserve well...

"Every so often, the water in Huntington Lake drops low enough to reveal a legend.
Resting in the deep is a World War II bomber -- at least what's left of it.
On Dec. 6, 1943, the B-24 Liberator and its crew of eight left Hammer Field in Fresno to search for another missing bomber. Less than 40 minutes into flight, it crashed -- sinking into Huntington Lake."

Read the rest here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2008/09/14/866012/huntington-lake-still-holds-crash.htm l


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Kable on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 06:40 am:

Several years ago when I was in Michigan, a friend took me to a guys place who had a small submarine.

He was in the process of modifying it so he could get to a boat load of Model A Fords in one of the great lakes that he had found while using the submarine to salvage other equipment.

Unfortunately my friend has since passed on so I am unable to contact him to see if anything ever became of the venture.

The guy said the cars were in good shape, even some of the trim work was still intact.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John J. Archibald on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 09:39 am:

Didn't we have a story in Vintage Ford within the past decade about a car tour that passed an abandoned line of railroad engines and cars? I want to say the tour was in Tennessee, but my memory is foggy. Quite a few photos of the old railroad equipment appeared in the Vintage Ford article, as I recall.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady L Puryear on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 05:38 pm:

Bump - Many years ago, I-10 between Houston and San Antonio was still under construction. Headed west, you had to get off on old Highway 90 and take it around here and there till you got to San Antonio. The first little town you came to off I-10 was Waelder, then the very small town of Harwood. My Brother had a deer lease there for years, so I was in an out plus just going East and West on I-10. There was an abandoned Chrysler dealership at I believe Harwood, maybe Waelder, but pretty sure Harwood, your memory is not the first thing to go. The story told by the locals was that the owner went home for lunch one day, said "to H--l with it", and closed the doors. The odd thing about it was that he closed the doors on an operating dealership, there were new cars outside under a metal awning, common back then, and you could look inside and see all the stuff that was just gone off and left, parts and all. He would not even talk about selling anything, including the cars. Years later they had long finished I-10, and no one went that way anymore, but just before my Brother died, we hunted there and all the stuff was gone, I assume he had died and the family got shut of everything. People didn't steal and vandalize back then like now, as far as I could tell just driving by, the cars just sat there untouched for years. This was late 50's, early 60's, George House in Lockhart may know of what I speak.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady L Puryear on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 05:40 pm:

Well, "Bump" doesn't work anymore for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 01:22 am:

Great thread. I use to drive through a town named Janesville in Southern Minnesota quite a bit. I think it was there where I would see 5 or 6 complete Farmall F-20 and a couple of Farmall Regulars sitting beside an old gas station. I started looking for the owner one day and had a couple different guys tell me not to bother. He wasn't going to get rid of them. But the worst of the worst is in the town of Montgomery Minnesota where the highways turns to go to LeSeur. There was and possible still is a little field just as you turned onto that road that was full of old Steam and Oil Pull tractors. I'd be willing to bet there were more than 50 tractors in that little field. I was also told not to bother trying to talk to anyone regarding those tractors. They told me over in LeSeur that if the guy was willing to part with any of the stuff we'd be seeing a lot of it at the swap meet in the spring and the threshing show in the Fall.

Now one more thing that needs to be addressed. We've got Lance Sorenson on this forum claiming to be from North Carolina. He's been from Minnesota since joining this forum and HE STILL IS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM UP TO THAT BUNCH OF JOHNNY REBS THAT EASY. I'M REALLY STEAMED OVER THIS ONE. THERE'S NO WAY HE'S GOING TO CHANGE FROM BEING A PROUD YANKEE. HE CAN SAY WHAT EVER HE WANTS, BUT UNDERSTAND HE'S STILL FROM MINNESOTA. FOREVER! Lousy pea pickers.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 10:39 am:

being a native North Carolinian i will add the suggestion that perhaps Lance has recognized the error of his ways and wishes to cleanse himself of his yankeeness.

:-)

But if he still talks and acts like a yankee yall can have him back!!!

(Just kidding around of course :-) )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 12:16 pm:

Nathan, Lance is a really great guy who doesn't need to have his brain twisted to fit into your rebel ways. He was born a yankee and by Gosh if the good people up here in Gods country have anything to say about it, he'll remain a yankee. Although we all realize he might be influenced by all the good cooking we'll still be able to bring him back to his senses once we feed him a good hotdish. And as always "(Just kidding around of course :-) )"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, February 02, 2013 - 01:33 am:

Mike,I am sorry,if the man ever gits a hold of a glass of SWEET ice tea,he will throw rocks at yankee land! :-)
And a bowl of grits helps convert some of the more stubborn yankees.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Saturday, February 02, 2013 - 02:35 am:

Mack,
y'all might need to pour some red beans and rice down this throat too!
If that doesn't do it, give him a powder sugar overdose with some Cafe Du Monde beignets.
:-)
Confused in N. Calif.
D. Dewey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Saturday, February 02, 2013 - 10:54 am:

Now you guys aren't fighting fair. I knew it would be the food that was going to get him. My favorite is hush puppies and I don't mind a little okra once in awhile. But some biscuits and good red gravy with some nicely fried venison loin. Oh my God, I'm ready to head South.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Todd Karasti on Sunday, February 03, 2013 - 01:24 am:

I know of a very old mine pit near Ely MN where you can drive right to the edge and have heard stories of many many cars that went over the edge. I plan to do some poking around to check if I could do a some exploring of these old relics. The real gold however is the old virgin timbers that lay on the bottom of some of these lakes, my brothers have seen massive timbers while scuba diving. The DNR put the kabosh on any attempts to retrieve those though,


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Battell (south of Fond du Lac, Wis) on Monday, February 04, 2013 - 09:05 am:

One of the posts above mentions the Kissel cars. They were made here in Hartford, Wisconsin, and the Wisconsin Automotive Museum in Hartford, Wisconsin has many of the old Kissels on display ( http://wisconsinautomuseum.com/ )

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