1911 touring body manufacturing differences - Pontiac particularly

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 04:21 am:

The manufacturing department invoice for my project states the body was supplied by Pontiac.

In my reading it appears the early 1911 Hayes body had a tool compartment door under the rear seat like 09/10.

That leads me to the question of is there any particular perculiarities to a Pontiac body that would have left the factory in early March 1911?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stuart clipson on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 07:24 am:

my "pontiac" body, feb '11, has the compartment under the rear seat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 08:20 am:

Just in case you don't know: Pontiac is the name they used for Beaudette Body Co. All serial numbers start with B.

www.coachbuilt.com for more info.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By don ellis on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 09:32 am:

mine is number B12568, stamped on the bottom of the doors and under front seat


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 04:49 pm:

Actually the name of the company was O.J. Beaudette Co. I don't think they ever used the word "body" in their name. They also later dropped the one t out of the official name or at least that is what they did unofficially. When they first began business they were building "Cutters and Gearwood" as their official business.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 08:19 pm:

I remember reading somewhere it was OJ Beaudette Wagon and Buggy Works.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 10:57 pm:

Where was that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Brown on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 03:47 pm:

Hi Stuart-your body would be very close to mine. No other differences noted other than the compartment under the seat? Would you be able to post a photo?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stuart clipson on Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 09:29 am:

hi alex.....not familiar with any other changes, but i am somewhat new to the 1911. my body number is BB4585 and engine and serial number is 40013.
i can send pics on private post as i haven't
mastered the resizing technique yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willard Revaz on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 04:35 pm:

My 1911 has engine # 86,316 with Body # B22927 under the front seat. No rear seat compartment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 09:07 pm:

Alex-
I have a friend that had a car s/n 55645 with Beaudette body B-10350 and it had the front hatch under the back seat.

Willard-
On your back doors, is the bead that goes around the edge rolled into the sheet metal, or is it a separate trim piece that is nailed-on?
-Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By don ellis on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 07:46 am:

B12568 has no trap door.and it has thin wood strips on the top of the rear doors. I was thinking they were add ons, re they original?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By don ellis on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 07:47 am:

B12568 has no trap door.and it has thin wood strips on the top of the rear doors. I was thinking they were add ons, are they original?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 07:04 pm:

Don-
The wood strips on the tops were add-ons.

Originally the top of the door had the upholstery butt up against the edge of the sheet metal of the door skin, with a row on nails exposed on the metal.

This is the idea:



Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 11:47 pm:

Some interesting information on the Beaudette company is at the Coachbuilt web site.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 12:49 am:

I have a very original Hayes bodied touring with engine number 44430 shipped March 28, 1911. It has the door under the rear seat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Geisler on Thursday, January 31, 2013 - 02:22 am:

Alix,
Vintage Ford has an article on the 11 touring body in the 70[s (I think). I have it in my library. Both of my 11's HAD the under-seat door as is shown, there was a brass twist-lock at the top middle front. One was there and I made another for the other ford out of stock brass. I sold both of them in the 70's. Jim Finney in Ill., a retired fireman, has had several original 11's. Guys here should know how to get a hold of him. If it is for the particular mfgr. you speak of I cannot tell you as I never got into WHO made the bodies. Did not matter to me.


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