Dash to Frame brackets

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum (old): Dash to Frame brackets
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:04 pm:

I just received anew pair of dash to frame brackets for my 26 coupe (they were gone),but in fitting them up there appears to be a good inch from the firewall to the bracket when lined up with the frame holes,my question is, is there a wood block that fills this gap ? the body can't move forward anymore,and if the firewall pulls forward it will be up on the head.Any ideas.?

thanks as always
Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:51 pm:

Rick

The fire wall bracket for a wood dash are different than for the metal fire walls. You have a pair of dash brackets for the wood fire wall. For a 26 the holes should line up with the brackets. I will try and send you a picture of the two types of brackets. You can see that the early (wood firewall) bracket does not line up with the tape.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:55 pm:

Rick I will try the photo again.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:59 pm:

Rick:

I am afraid the pictures came out way too large. The bracket on the right is the one you should have. Notice the tape comes out right in the middle of the holes that bolts to the frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R. Sosnoski (Dsosnoski) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 08:57 pm:

I am also having problems with this bracket on my 24 coupe. When bolted to to cowl, the holes for the frame bolts are off by about 1/2" (bracket is to long). I measured it and it measures 8 1/2" overall, which is in between the two brackets shown above. It seems that the one on the right would be the right size for my car. What would the one I have be from?

Thanks,
Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R. Sosnoski (Dsosnoski) on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 10:14 pm:

Ok, so I just realized the photos above are not showing different length brackets, but offset hole locations. So, my problem is the bracket I have seems to be about 1/2" too long. Someone once told me there were two different lengths for these brackets. Does anyone know if this is true, and what the lengths are? The one I have measures 8 1/2" overall and it appears I need one about 8".

Thanks,
Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 02:38 am:

Dave:

There is only one lenght for the brackets, that lenght is 8 1/2" Your 24 coupe is made of wood with a little tin nailed to the outside. If the wood settles over 70 years then you must raise the body up to install the brackets. I am going to try and send you a little better picture.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David R. Sosnoski (Dsosnoski) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 08:21 am:

Dave,

I am in the process of rewooding the body now. The wooden body sills sit directly on the frame brackets and the cowl nails to the bottom of the sills. This locates the bottom of the cowl even with the top of the frame. The firewall bolts to the cowl with no adjustment, so it's height is fixed in relation to the frame. These brackets bolt to the firewall with no adjustment, but the frame bolt holes are off about the diameter of the hole.
To line up these bolt holes, I have to raise the firewall, which raises the cowl, which then requires a block of wood between the body sills and frame, but there is not suppose to be a block there. It also affects the hood alignment as there is now a 3/4" gap between the hood and hood shelf at the cowl, and about a 1/4" gap at the radiator - and the hood has a visual slope to it. I might be able to raise the radiator to equal out the gap at 3/4", but I shouldn't have to add a spacer block in the first place, and the 3/4" gap between the hood and hood shelf seems to be to much for the hood clips.

Can you shed any light on this? I can send you some photos if it will help.

Thanks,
Dave S.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:24 am:

Dave:

Its pretty hard to tell what the problem is without being there to look at it. I rewooded a 24 coupe and a 24 touring and had no problem such as you mentioned. Maybe someone that knows more about rewooding than I do can help you. I always fit the body to the firewall and not the firewall to the body. Make sure that your main sills are at least even with the top of the frame. Since your brackets are off only 3/8" maybe you can split the differance and raise your main sills 1/4" and lower the brackets 1/3". By the center of the lower frame holes should be about 3 1/4" inches to the center of the lower firewall bracket.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:54 am:

Dave,As always ,thanks for your help,following is a drawing (i hope) of the dash to frame bracket i received for my 26 coupe.\image


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:56 am:

I will try again.bracket


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Olsen (Ollie) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:17 am:

I have a '19 with a metal fire wall. It came with two small bloces of wood between the bracket and the firewall. I had the same problem and was advised they were not supposed to be there but I had to replace them to get everything to line up right. With the blocks installed everything fit up well and has stayed snug for four year of running.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:18 am:

One more time.bracket


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 12:49 pm:

Dave,i must have the right ones because with a clamp and perserverance i managed to get them on,the flange around the firewall was bent back,so i clamped it together and bolted it.
Thanks for your help. Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 03:41 pm:

Rick:

That is the wrong one. Its an early one for the wood fire wall. Your right hand hole in the drawing must line up with the line on the right side of your drawing. Notice in the 1st picture I sent you that the tape ran straight down the bracket and centered on the hole that mounts to the frame. That is why Frank Olsen had to add pieces of wood to make up for the extra space. Normally a 19 has a wood fire wall that is why Frank had the extra space that he had to put spacers in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 03:46 pm:

Rick:

Send me your wrong brackets and I will send you a pair of correct metal firewall brackets at no charge other than shipping.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith P. Ellis (Cota) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 08:58 pm:

Note that the 1926-27 frame has the mounting holes for the dash bracket in a different location than 1925 and back. I would measure the distance from the front of the frame to the first mounting hole on a 1925 frame and on a 1926 frame and you may fine a different dimenion. Maybe the frame on your 1926 is for a 1925?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole (Tdump) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 09:44 pm:

I aint no expert but is it possiable his car had been damageed in a accident at some point and time and may have some stuff out of alignment becuase of it? On a 66 ford truck I have I had to add 1 and 1/2 inch spacers under the front of the bed so the body lines would line up. The chassis is warped from frontal collision. It makes no differnce on this cause it is a work vehical but had I been fixing it as a classic oh my gosh!...mack


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:36 pm:

Mack,you may have a point,all indications are that this car has had damage,it appears to have been hit in the left rear the left rear fender was damaged as well as the quater panel and the left door is bent.the frame appears to be straight but the body may have shifted slightly although the new body blocks installed smoothly.There are so many missing and damaged sheet metal parts i have had to make and shape and fiberglass many areas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 01:27 pm:

Rick:

I have your brackets boxed and will get them in the mail tomorrow. ALL METAL FIREWALL BRACKETS ARE THE SAME. ALL SIDE HOLES IN THE FRAME FOR METAL FIREWALLS ARE THE SAME!!!! The ones you sent me are for the 1917 to 1923 wood fire walls and hence the bottom two holes are wrong. . They are off the distance that the wood fire wall is thick. As far as I know all frames from 1917 to 1927 had the firewall side bracket holes in the same place, its the brackets that are the different. ALL BRACKETS FROM THE MIDDLE OF 1923 (when they went to the metal fire wall) to 1927 ARE THE SAME.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz (Rickyg) on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 04:27 pm:

OK,thanks Dave


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