John Warren asked for more photos of my car - will this do?
It's a start, Jem, and thank you ! I'd like to see all angles, side, rear, under the hood and all over details, but taking pictures and posting them is time-consuming. Grateful for this one, looks like a fine example in a charming setting ! Thank you !!
Just teasing ;^)
To save resizing everything, they're all on this link:
I bought the car at Hershey 1979
The vendor told me his sister had taken it in a divorce settlement and he was selling for her. Certainly it came with an Indiana title in a lady's name and a 1962 Indiana tag, and looked like 1962 was the last time it had been used. The brass was almost crusted with neglect. I suspect it may have come from an estate sale.
I have a Indiana license document from 1954 and it looks like it was a barn find in the 50s, refurbished to the standards of the time, so there are some later parts on the car. The (almost illegible) microfiche shipping doc from Benson Ford shows it shipped to Boston Aug 17 1909, with 'No Top'. So don't tell me the top irons are wrong, obviously the supplying dealer made a bit more profit by selling an accessory top.
I had to repaint the wheels, horrible colour and paint falling off, but otherwise it is much 'as found'. We potter about locally and have in the past done a handful of tours. I joined the 2 piece crank club some years ago and the block had extensive metal-stitching. I have tried many different products on the leather but it has dried out beyond hope - we don't use the front seat cushion shown when driving it out and have vinyl ocvers to protect the remains of the leather.
No under hood photos in the link, the original motor is in the shop. I'll leave you to pick over and tell me what's wrong with it.
Couple of other comments: the chrome gizmo on the steering is a Philips Irreversible Steering Gear and, yes it works. The coil box has a horrible conversion to take later coils - I have another box but need to get a full set of early coils.
Thank you much !! That is a pleasure to see. I did wonder about the gizmo on the steering, thanks for the explanation. Just wonderful !
Thanks Jem, for posting those photos and for taking the time to post how you came to acquire the car. One question: wouldn't an August '09 car be called a very early '10?
There you go R.V. raining on my parade, I've only got a 1910 ;^(
Yes, you are probably right.
My good friend Jim in Oblong Illinois owns #6269, also stamped on August 17th 1909. His has the same Beaudette aluminum body, and also has the same early style patent plate under the seat. Jim's has a 6 rivet rear end with the longer driveshaft housing, where he has reason to believe this rear end configuration is original to the car. Many thanks for posting the rear end work....am looking forward to seeing your progress.
I thought Ford used a September 1 to August 31 model year.
Well gee Jem; now I feel badly. I apologize. I will take it off your hands so you feel better. It's the least I can do.
Thomas, in late June 1909 Ford called all subsequent 1909 cars “1910”. My 1909 was dated Oct 4,1909 but according to the Encyclopedia it was a 1910 Model.
Seems to me your Aug.17, 1909 shipping date T is a real '1909' model year Ford.
Just going by published data, Ford Service Bulletin, Nov. 1923 lists Model T engine numbers by year.
The first line, for Year 1909
Oct. 1, 1908 to Sept. 30, 1909, numbers 1 to 11,100
Bruce McCalley, big book, page 502. "Note: Other records show 1909 fiscal year production (Oct 1 1908 to Sept 30, 1909)
Same book, page 13, Fiscal Year Oct 1, 1908 to Oct 1, 1909. While the new Tourabout in July 1909 was called "1910" as that was indeed a new body style.
Not wishing to start a new debate or upset anyone but as far as I am concerned if a vehicle was assembled and went
“Out the factory door” between Jan 1 and December 31 of any year that is the year it should be dated at. I think the concept of calling a late 09 a 1910 Model may have been a sales gimmick to be driving a 1910 Model car in 1909?
I once purchased a “1963” lawn mower in September 1962!
Just my opinion. Alan
Very cool Jem.
The guy on the right may have helped build your car.
I believe I read, some time ago, that auto manufacturers introduced "new" models to correspond to agricultural harvest time (at least in the U.S.).
If a farm is to be profitable, and the farmer feeling "flush", harvest time is when it would be.
Thank you for sharing those wonderful photos.
They are amazing and show great detail.