Wanted contact with East Texas? owner of Centerdoor

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 10:50 am:

A while back someone near Shreveport, LA was interested in looking at our 1915 Centerdoor.



I have misplaced your name and contact information. If you would please post a note or click on my name and send me an e-mail, I will gladly set up a time for you to see the car. It is NOT for sale, but you had mentioned that you wanted to look at some of the details. I could also send you some photos of the car which might be easier than driving over.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Shirley on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 12:28 pm:

Not sure the message went through, Bob Shirley 903 824 1949 or nacoboy@aol.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 01:16 pm:

Bob,

Yes, it made it. Thank you for double checking.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 03:32 pm:

Wow, Hap! Every time you post a new photo of that car, I drool a little more. You've simply got to get it back on the road.

I see it has the '13/'14 style differential. Was the '15 Centerdoor made in late '14 or very early '15 like the Coupelets?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 08:08 pm:

Hap -- I didn't know you had one of those! There are probably fewer of those now than there are '15 Coupelets. Why aren't you working 28 hours a day on it to get it back on the road? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 11:05 am:

Eric,

There is some debate on exactly when the 1915 closed car production began. But there is general agreement that 1915 closed car production began before the touring and roadster production switched over to all 1915 style cars. And Trent posted some information (or Mike posted what Trent had found) about the Coupelet and Sedan production. Also at http://mtfca.com/encyclo/doc14.htm on Dec 19, 1914 they announced a longer intake for the Sedan due to the gas tank being located under the back seat. But yes, the Centerdoor production was around the same time as the coupelet production.

The engine number on our car would make it a Dec 22, 1914 production date although some parts (such as the transmission pedals) have been changed out with later parts over the years. It is a real time capsule but it will still be a labor of love for someone to bring it back to life.

Mike – I would love to be working on more of my projects – but the day job is still taking up a lot of time and I need that to pay for the college expenses. And the kids are worth that. But I am hoping to spend more time actually working on the cars in the next few years. Or that Calvin and Hobbs cartoon sums it up. The first frame Calvin says, “I know God put me on this earth for a reason.” The second frame Calvin says, “And right now I’m so far behind I’ll never die.”


Respectfully submitted,

Hap 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 11:12 am:

That is a true early one because of the one piece rear and quarter panel, in my honest opinion. The very best thing going in closed cars. I wonder if it was two tone from the factory ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 12:14 am:

Frank,

I also have often wondered about the paint job. I suspect it was done later, but where it has flaked off, I do not see anything but the aluminum. So if or when it was repainted it was stripped to the bare metal.

I am using my wife's computer and I cannot figure out how to get it to search Bruce's On-line Encyclopedia. But under one of the pages there was a note asking the branches to stop purchasing a certain colored paint as the closed cars would no longer be painted that color. Or something to that effect. If someone knows how to search the web page (I can on my other computer) please check:

http://mtfca.com/encyclo/doc15.htm
or http://mtfca.com/encyclo/doc16.htm
or http://mtfca.com/encyclo/doc17.htm
or http://mtfca.com/encyclo/doc18.htm

From memory (and that is dangerous) I think the note was in one of those years.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 07:11 am:

I think it's this page you are searching for: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1914H.htm
"In a letter dated March 22, 1917, Ford said, “As we expect to paint all bodies black by April 15th, we ask that you kindly give us an inventory of all the F-113 (blue body paint) you now have on hand, and that you do not requisition any more of this material beyond your needs to April 15th.” This letter was mailed to Ford assembly plants and would seem to indicate that there were some blue cars as late as 1917!

To add to the confusion, another letter, dated February 20, 1919, addressed to the branches, said, “As closed bodies are now being painted black, instead of green as heretofore, also carmine striped, it becomes imperative that the branches prepare to repair bodies when needed according to the new color. It is necessary that someone in your paint shop, accustomed to the method of striping, be assigned to this work, as this section of body painting is something new for branches to contend with. Striping pencils and carmine paint for striping will be furnished you for this purpose upon request for same.”

In the same letter, Ford goes on with “New paint specifications. . . These are being sent you at this time and comprise the change in sedan, coupe, touring car and torpedo body painting, according to the latest information. You will note the change in the Symbol number of paint used in painting closed bodies, as well as that for the touring car and torpedo bodies, and wheel paint, as called to your attention in our general letter of the 11th and 12th. F-165 and F-166 will be held for repairs only on closed bodies which were formerly painted green.”

There is no indication of just when “formerly painted green” was. There were, of course, no closed bodies in the 1914 line of Fords, but the 1915 Sedan and Coupelet appeared in October 1914. Were these green? Blue? The author has seen very few closed cars of the 1915 to 1919 era, and all have been black. Just a little more confusion to add to the enigmatic Model T story."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 08:09 am:

Roger,

Thank you so much! Yes, that was the page and those were the references about closed cars possibly being painted a color other than Black. Blue was mentioned, but it only said F-113 (blue body paint) and not two different blue paints. I suspect our Centerdoor was painted two tone later at the request of an owner. But that is just a guess and we will need to do more research for additional clues.

Again, thank you so much for helping us locate that reference.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


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