1917 fan shroud

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 10:50 pm:

Does anyone have a photo of the 17 fan shroud? I picked up one last weekend and want to identify it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:02 pm:

Jack Daron:

I am afraid you won't see much.

1916 schrowd


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 11:04 pm:

Englarged scan from the Parts Price List


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 12:07 am:

Dan,and Dave ,thanks. That sure looks like this one. I know they are very rare as they were only used for a short time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 10:05 am:

OK Uncle Jack

That's a real find, all those things were cast off.

Your right, these weren't Ford's better ideas...

Was pointed out that perhaps it would have worked if the fan blade was backed out of the funnel shaped shroud. By placing the fan blade outboard of the funnel, air would have been pulled thru.

As designed, the fan blade sat inside the funnel and just pushed the air against the sides of the shroud, causing mostly a buffering against free air flow thru the radiator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 04:43 pm:

History repeated in 1928. My son's coupe has a similar stamped steel shroud. It too was only used for one year in spite of the fan being placed correctly.

They too are rare and the reproductions are plastic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 09:23 pm:

I have a hunch,this one will end up in Centerville ,for all to enjoy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 09:30 pm:

I have a hunch,this one will end up in Centerville ,for all to enjoy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 09:34 pm:

Now that would be cute, a display at the MTFCA Museum of Ford's engineering changes or new parts that didn't work out in the marketplace.....or parts designed or re-designed because owners complaints demanded or laws required....

1917 fan shroud
1909-10 straight end axle shafts
1913 frame to body reinforcement bracket
1920 Green visor headlamp lens
1922 'H' headlamp lens
1925 Quick change bands
1926 fender crossbar

...How many more can you add to this list? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 10:17 pm:

1917 had some 4-lamp headlights also. My son used to have one,they only used them for a short time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Wetherbee on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 12:14 pm:

Lets not forget the fan adjustment cam & screw afair in the early "improved" cars. If you can find one in 1 piece that is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 12:50 pm:

The 1912 fuel tank with the sediment bulb directly over the driveshaft


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 12:51 pm:

The 1911-12 Oil Filler-Commutator


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren F Rollins on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:23 pm:

Dan, tell us about the 1925 Quick change bands. I never heard about that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 07:28 pm:

Timer brush
brush


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 08:43 pm:

Warren

The quick change meant the demountable-ear bands. Guess you thought I was mentioning some new fangled fast action band changes :-)

Lot of aftermarket bands sprung up in the T days to ease the chore of removing the hogshead, and allow linings changes thru the inspection cover.



These aftermarket designs came out in late '23 and several styles made.....must have been a real hit with Ford service folks, and Ford must have found out, and then made his own version or bought out a patent.....because the New Type Transmission Bands with detachable ears were then introduced in Ford Service Bulletin May, 1925.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Boe on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 09:06 pm:

Hey Guys,
There is a gentleman here in FL that has an NOS 1917 shroud hanging in his shop. I am sure that it would be for sale to someone that needed it to complete a restoration.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren F Rollins on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:16 am:

Dan, The 1925 bands as I first read it were listed as things that didn't work out. I went back and saw I had misread . Where was Joe Snow back in the days before converting to Kevlar? I would have to see that 12 minute job to beleive it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 02:05 am:

I just replaced mine the other day. It took me way more than twelve minutes just to get the old bands out! Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 11:27 am:

Ford had to pay damages when Parks and Bohne sued for patent infringement.

http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/doc26.htm

SEP 25 United States District Court, Eastern

Judicial, Ford Archives
District of Missouri.
A judgment against the Ford Motor Company, in favor of Parks and Bohne, Inc., holders of original patents of transmission bands with removable ears, was made on this date. Just how Ford made restitution is not specified in the document.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel Keefer on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 12:42 pm:

How about the bands that had 2 hinges in each band so they could be slid into place with ease.

Can someone show a picture of the "articulated" bands, please?

Noel


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