Rim Identifaction

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Rim Identifaction
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By O'neal Lee on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 08:33 pm:

I bought a 1926 Coupe about five years ago with a spare rim that doesn't fit. Hope pictures upload. Maybe someone can help identify.

Neal}}}}


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By O'neal Lee on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 08:40 pm:

Well as I suspected no pics. Rim measures 21 1/2" outside diameter and 3 3/4" to outside edges. Instead of a sharp edge on the inside it is rounded. This is my first post so thanks for your patience.

Neal


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 09:59 pm:

Lee,

Welcome to the forum! I think you will be able to find a usable answer soon. Yes, pictures would be a big help. You can find some information about posting them at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/141373.html One trick is they must be 200 kb or less or they will be too large to post. If you need help on resizing the photos see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/130323.html You can also click on my name at the top of any post and e-mail me the photo and I will gladly resize a few of them for you until you get the hang of it. Please put Model T in the subject so it gets read and not sent to the SPAM folder. Also please limit any single e-mail to 10 mb or less. The third line down has my e-mail address as you cannot attach the photos to the private e-mails.

For information on the wheel rims, please see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/70290.html which discusses the two different types of 21 inch split rims that were used by Ford USA and mentions briefly the ones used by Ford Canada and cautions about the many other auto companies that used similar size rims. Your 1926 coupe would have come from the factory with 21 inch tires and depending on when it was sold, with the wood spoked wheels and split rims or the wire wheels that had the fixed drop center rim. Either way it would have been 21 inch tires.

Again welcome aboard and we are looking forward to helping you meet new friends and find the correct rim to use as your spare. Also I would highly recommend you check out the local T clubs near you. Taking a look at an actual rim etc. can make it so much easier for you. See the club listings at: http://mtfca.com/clubpages/chapters.htm and http://mtfca.com/MTclubs.htm .

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By O'neal Lee on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 11:07 pm:

Another attempt at pictures.
Neal


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 11:26 pm:

Neal,

I apologize for using your last name in the previous posting. When you say the spare rim does not fit, do you mean the rim will fit but the valve stem hole does not line up or do you mean the rim will not fit onto the wooden spoked wheel?

Looking at the photo of the 1926 fixed lug wheel that was at the other posting, it appears that the valve stem would not line up with the standard Model T fixed lug wheel. If that is what is happening – then there is a good chance that you do not have a Ford rim, but rather a Chevy rim or someother car maker’s rim.

Please let us know what is not fitting and if possible some photos of the wheels with the rims that do fit. Thanks.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By willie k cordes on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:30 am:

O'Neal, most of your pictures look like a standard 1926/27 split rim introduced in 1926. The rim showing a 21 1/2 overall measurements looks like a different rim of the clincher type. By the way, rims are measured from the inside tire bead to the tire bead on the other side.(Measure the inside to inside on the rim and add the thickness of the rim and you should add up to 21 inch on a split rim.
That split rim for a T should measure 21", The same as if you measure a tire on the inside. A 30X3 1/2 should measure 23".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 03:36 pm:

Measuring 21 1/2" in maximum ouside diameter would make this a 20" tire size rim. By the positions of the stem hole- 4 lugs - split- and latch, this appears to be a Hayes no.220 for the following:
Durant disc wheel 1924-25
Flint 40 (part) 1924
Flint Z-18 1925
Overland 93,93A 1925-26
Willys-Knight 70 1925-26
Star disc wheel 1924-26


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:52 pm:

Hayes did make a rim similar to that for a Model T. I bought two that looked very good and were the right size, except the tube stem hole was not even close to the rim split. I later learned they were Chevrolet rims. After I got rid of them, I bought some wheels with two holes drilled in them for the tube stem and was told they were modified for Chevrolet rims.

I have a couple of those Hayes rims now. Hayes is written vertically on the lug attachment. They look very similar at first glance.

Rim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 08:50 pm:

Mr. Golden---- Your pictured rim is a Hayes as you know, number 330 and was only used on:
Ford Pass(part) 1925-27
The (part) of course means that this rim was used on part of the production with other rims also used. The Pass indicates Passenger use although in another place in the same catalog it states this rim was used on the TT trucks too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By O'neal Lee on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:52 pm:

It still amazes me that folks can be so helpful. In a society where everyone seems to be out just for themselves, it is wonderful when people will take the time to assist someone else. I would like to thank eveyone for their input. Other than my father-in-law who is 86 now, there's not anyone else around with any knowledge about the T. He has really been a big asset. He is the former owner of a 1925 Model T. Once I needed some coils for a 1927 Fordson tractor that I had bought with no coils. He shows up one day with 10 coils of which 5 were in working order. I don't belong to any Model T club. I live west-central Alabama and only know one other person who owns a T. My T is a running car but needs some work.

So thanks again everyone for your help.

Neal


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 11:18 pm:

Neal - There are probably other Model T'ers in your general area that you aren't aware of.

One of the National Directors of the Model T Ford Club of America, Gator Gould, lives in Monroeville, AL. That's some distance from where you are in Gordo, AL, but Gator may know other Model T'ers near you. His contact information is on this site - go to the home page and click on "Club Contacts" and you will find him. Gator is a very friendly person and I'm sure he will help you find others in your area.

Best wishes, Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 07:02 am:

Gator is well known all the way to Maine. Some Maryland T members are also fond of him for the helpers he brought to the 2009 birthday party that were good at rebuilding rear ends.

Layden, I did not know the rim had a number assigned or what that number might be.

Rims are not included in the ALL THE SAME books. I have identified a few of them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 07:03 am:

One more rim detail - Langs sells that proper rim screw that is often missing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 09:10 am:

Neal,

I would also recommend you contact

HEART OF DIXIE Ts
Vic Zannis
240 Asian Way
Pell City AL 35120 US

Vic has a business web site and his contact information is listed there at: http://viczannis.com/21333.html He is also the author of the excellent book "Rebuilding the Model T Powerplant" also listed on his web site.

A lot of us belong to both the Model T Ford Club of America and the Model T Ford Club International. Our local club here is South Carolina is a chapter in both national clubs. There is an excellent chance that they may have some members closer to you. If not, by modern car you are less than 2 hours away as Pell City which is a few miles east of Birmingham, AL. Meeting the folks and seeing their cars would be well worth the trip. And you may find that they rotate their meeting locations as we do here in SC. If so, some of the meetings may be really close to you. By rotating the locations, it makes it easier for all of us to sometimes drive our Ts to the meetings when they are near our home.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 09:55 am:

Neal: Sent you a e-mail, don't know if you got it. I am in B'ham, have T's and parts. If I can help contact me. E-mail is
danielh462NOspam@centurytel.net
Remove NOspam. Thanks, Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Sunday, July 04, 2010 - 09:10 pm:

I have a chevy rim on the front of my 24 now, just drilled a new hole in the fellow for the stem and there you go, ya'll would never know if I hadn't told you. Have fun, KB


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