So he says to the cop "lotsa cars came without windshields ..."

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 10:50 pm:

Since I have no windshield on my old racer I got to thinking how to reply to the cops that I just know I'm gonna run into that say I have to have one. I've already checked our Regs and there is nothing that says the vehicle HAS to have one, it just says windshields must be made of safety glass. I'll quote it to them word for word if necessary.

So, to start off a list of glassless carriages I'll mention the Curved Dash Olds. Whaddya got to add?

Regards all,
Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 10:59 pm:

1909 & 1910 Fords and all Fords before the T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 11:49 pm:

Garnet,

I don't think you will have any problems with the police. Every where I have ever lived, they usually are very understanding with the older cars.

Note you can also add to that list that Ford sold all of the chassis without a windshield and it was up to the body builder to add or not add a windshield.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By willie k cordes on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:01 am:

I have a 1924 TT truck that I drive all the time without a windshield. It came from the factory as a running gear with a hood and fenders, but no cab or windshield. I was only stopped once in a lot of years of driving it and the policeman wanted to know what year it was.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:32 am:

A friend of mine has a 1921 Mercer. No windshield, it was still optional.
Drive safely, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JOHN ROSSI on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:41 am:

THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT AND BE LEGAL IS TO WEAR EYE PROTECTION, LIKE GLASSES...AND IT IS BETTER FOR YOU, AND OTHERS TOO..WE DO IT ALL THE TIME ON MOTORCYCLES......BUT DON'T TRY IT WITHOUT EYE PROTECTION....
FLIVVER JACK '25 ROADSTER


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 12:49 am:

Good point John Rossi.

I worked with a guy several years that was stopped on the road in his WW2 3/4 ton Army truck with the windshield folded forward.
The cop told him if it has a windshield it should be up on a highway.
You can drive old sportscars like an MGTD with the windshield folded down if you have those small racing screens. That's in Ca.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian clark on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 02:13 am:

I agree with John....for safety sake, wear eye protection.
In Ohio it is required for motorcycles, I don't believe the windshield is considered adequate eye protection (and I can vouch for that!)

As long as you and your passengers have eye protection, then you should be fine!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 07:13 am:

I've already got a leatherhead helmet from our local pro football team John ... 3 or 4 different goggles as well as a few different colored neckerchiefs too!! After all, a fun and goofy looking car just has to have an equally goofy looking driver having fun (but not eat bugs)!

Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:16 am:

In California you must wear goggles if you have no windshield. But if you are polite and don't make a fool of yourself, they will let you run without one. In this case it is rolled up and fastened under the top bow. The top picture was taken 22 years ago, the beard is now all white.



windshield







This picture was taken in 1989. The car is light cream or off-white with very dark brown leather and also the top fabric. Bye the way, Loren Burch and his associates did the upholstery, the top and the boot.

windshield


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:27 am:

In Michigan it depends on weather car is origional manufactured or "assembled" vehicle such as a V-8 powered hot rod, T Bucket, etc. Origional OK, but if assembled you need a windshield, with safety glass, sufficient to protect driver and passenger, windshield wipers, and a windshield washer. Also need bumpers, safety belts, high/low headlight beam indicator, turn signals and a couple other things I can't think of right now to pass the "Road Safety Inspection" requirements. I asked the beaurcrats that if I were building a replica of an vintage vehicle (OK my speedster is stretching it a bit)without windshield, etc., would all this be required? They just repeated the inspection requirements to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 10:35 am:

Gary, that is because the assembled car, such as a fiberglass T-bucket is dated when it is assembled out of modern parts. But, a Model T assembled out of original parts is considered an original when it is presented to D M V for registration because it is not a modified vehicle for all intents and purposes. It has simply had some of the original worn out parts replaced with parts that were not as worn out so as to preserve a bit of history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:35 pm:

Frank, Yes I understand that. What I am saying is there is a problem with trying to replicate an older vintage vehicle. I cannot build a speedster, depot hack, Huckster, etc, without front and back bumpers, windshield wipers and washers (no monocle), high/low beam indicator, turn signals, safety belts, etc. Technically, if you put a pickup box on a T coupe you would need to retitle it. To do that you need to undergo the road safety inspection to assure it has all the needed aforementioned equipment. There needs to be some room in the requirements for consideration of the period style/design of the vehicle. Just a lot of hassle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 06:25 pm:

Yes Gary you are correct, that is why you show up to register the car with your papers showing the details of your car as it actually is. There is no reason to let on that it has been assembled from parts of different cars. The engine number rules when the car was made and the bill of sale if there is no official paper work, depicts the body style. Get it right when you create your statement of facts.

With my 1906 Moline Touring above, I purchased a frame and engine and attempted to put it in my name before it was assembled and completed. I was asked to show all receipts for all parts and support it with a bond in the amount of the assessed value of the car posted in the name of the California DMV just in case some guy claimed and proved that some part of my car was actually owned by him. So I fully believe that it is better to wait until you get it worded correctly and perhaps pay a late penalty rather than run down with a stack of parts and have to deal with a large can of nasty worms.


I will never ever do that again. It is what they want and is the right way to do it but I only fell for it once. As I have stated before, in 1960 purchased a 1913 Cadillac from a man who had it registered as a truck. He had taken the back off and put it in the rafters but had registered it as a flat bed truck from 1939 'till 1960. He put the body back on and sold it to me complete as a Touring car registered as a truck.

When I went to D M V they wanted receipts for all the things used to convert it from a truck back into a car and I said all the did was put the body back on it, there was no cost. The lady wanted my tanned hide and first born male child in the deal to certify the papers, so I left. The lady in the next booth beckoned me over to her row and looked at the papers. She said, Cadillac never built a truck, the word Touring is misspelled When they abbreviated it to the four letter word used for names they spelled tour as truk, here I can fix that . . . . . . and off I went. It all depends on the luck of the draw and how well your paper work is worded. Just be very careful when you write up a bill of sale when you purchase the car so it fully explains the car the way you want to register it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 07:29 pm:

Frank, You got that right. When I got it titled after I bought it on a bill of sale as a two door, the T was not running. When asked if it was road worthy I messed up and said not yet. She put on title it needed the "inspection' before I could get it registered for plates. The T body was too far gone for economical restoration so I built it up as a speedster. Can only hope local constable inspector will let it slide that it isn't realy a two door.

Gary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 08:12 pm:

Two variables affect the complexity of encounters with the vehicle bureaucracy: 1 the jurisdiction; 2 the individual. I've bought two vehicles in other states with only a bill of sale (one of them handwritten) and had no trouble at all getting them titled and registered in Kansas. In California I was dreading taking my Packard to the DMV to correct an erroneous number on the pink slip (title). At the San Pedro DMV office a young lady consulted a book, read the regulations, interpreted them sanely, and had me out of there in twenty minutes. Sometimes you get lucky.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 09:57 pm:

Titles

When I went to get a title for proof of ownership
on my clone of a T rail car I had to make an appointment (sorry were are 6 month behind)made appointment for 6 months. When I arrived thay looked (four hounchos) and said we can't give you one it isn't leagle to drive on the street,
Only want title for ownership. No dice,as they left, a part time inspector came up (retired trooper) and ask what it was and I explaned what I was after he said let me make a phone call. he called the main state office talked for a while and came back with papers and filled them out. Go to the licencing office near you and this should do it,Heres my card and the phone number to call if theres any trouble. I drove the 30 miles with the trailer and car in tow ,paid my $90.00 and it was all complete. There are good and ??????? employees every where you just need to find them.

Bob Mc


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls,WI on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 03:41 pm:

I recently purchased a speedster. It is registered as a 2-door. That was the closest she could come up with.

I think i should go back to the seller and demand the 2 doors that he forgot to give me. We will have a good laugh over that one.


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