Hayes fixed lug rims on Firestone fellows?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Hayes fixed lug rims on Firestone fellows?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Boothroyd on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 07:37 pm:

I just removed my Hayes fixed lug rims from my wheels.
I noticed that the fellows appear like the firestone ones in previous threads where there is a cup inside where the valve stem protrudes, and there is no indentation in the fellow where the Hayes type fixed lugs meet.
There is a gap between the fellow and the Hayes fixed lug.
The fellow measures about 2" in width.
So, I have been driving on these wheels since I got the T running with no problems.
Have a look at the wheels with the rims installed, then the pictures of the fellow.
Notice the gap at the lug.
I posted earlier about rear hubs and fellows from Model T Haven.
I want to be sure to get the correct fellows for the Hayes fixed rims that I alreday have.
Comments?






Regrads,

Steve


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Boothroyd on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:25 pm:

Bump.

Regards,

Steve


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:35 pm:

Steve,

Even the Hayes rim on the Hayes felloe should tighten up to the proper torque before the lug touches the face of the felloe.

If the Lug on the rim is all that is supporting the rim against the felloe -- then that is not good. But I suspect if you look on the back side when the rim is torqued down, that the entire back side of the felloe is mating against the rim.

Ford specifically said don't mix and match the different style felloes and rims (see the service bulletin posted at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/92314.html?1242971377

But after studying this for a while, I think that may be more to keep the loose lug rims from turning on the felloes and cutting the valve stem causing a flat and possible loss of control (especially on the rear tires with braking) more than because the fixed lug rim will cause issues with the loose lug felloe.

Would I bet my life or someone else's life on that Guess? NO! But I believe there are several folks that have been running with the rims mismatched and they were not aware of it. In the case of the lose lug rim on the Hayes style felloe (which all the wheel makers that Ford used went to in 1924 or so) the valve stem will be cut.

How many of you know of a long term good or bad experience with the mismatched rim on the felloe?

If your wheels are good and they are matched -- obtaining the proper rim for the felloes would be less work than rebuilding the wheels with a different felloe. But whatever you decide, recommend you still match the felloe and the rim until we have more evidence to support or refute how safe or unsafe mixing the different styles is.

As you clean rims and felloes, please keep an eye out for brand names etc. Just yesterday while looking for something else I ran across a posting that explained CLE WEL was for Cleveland Welding which was another one of the suppliers to Ford.

Hopefully we will get this one resolved within the next year. But in the meantime -- going with the same style felloe and rim is a safe bet.

Note the same posting mentioned above shows that Hayes had different styled felloes that the rims will fit. See Peter Kable's posting: on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 10:51 pm: in that thread.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


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