Not 1913, but good project, no reserve

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Not 1913, but good project, no reserve
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 08:38 am:

Interesting start for someone. Has Ruxtall rear end.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Model-T-1-Ton-Truck-Pickup-/130416733914?cmd =ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e5d716eda#ht_500wt_947

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 09:04 am:

I put it on my watch list, my husband is dying for a TT.
Dolo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 02:21 pm:

Dolo,

Glad to help. I see it has gone up to over $600. Are you going to buy it for your husband?

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 02:38 pm:

Of course, Ford didn't make TT's until the '18 model year, so it's certainly not a '13. :-) It's a tall radiator, so it's a '24-up. The cowl looks to me like a '26-7. The body wood and hardware look preservable, which is great. Go fot it, Dolo!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 02:46 pm:

I don't know all the ways to tell T yrs apart, I kinda compare to my 26, I told Rick I was pretty sure it was at least a 20, looked a lot like my 26 to me, the proportions and light position.
Rick is a truck man, he is all for bidding if they don't run wild with it. I'll try to figure a top dollar I want to pay and figure at least a grand to transport.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 02:56 pm:

If it's a 26 of 27, would the vin be stamped on the frame like the cars? I thought I would email the owner for more info. If he is accomadating, I could tell him what to look for. Doesn't seem overly rusty. Can't tell from the raggedy tires, but are the rears bigger?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:15 pm:

I am not a truck man, but I believe that the rear tires are fatter but not larger in diameter to hold the weight.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:25 pm:

Mike's on the right track. It has the longer rear cross member and the boot-scraper running boards, both indicating a later truck. the engine has the later upper fan pully set-up and in one picture it looks like there are the hogshead to engine bolts, indicating a 26/27 engine. Hard to tell for sure.

It would make a GREAT project truck!! Too bad it's so far away from me....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 03:36 pm:

Wow, that's the perfect project!

Like Henry said "Too bad it's so far away from me...."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 05:00 pm:

It jumped up pretty quickly to $999 we'll see how it goes.

I found the TT truck club by checking another thread, nobody told me it was there!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 05:17 pm:

To answer the question about the tires:

It looks like a typical TT set-up. 4.40/4.50-21" on the fronts and either 600-20" or 650-20" on the rears. Remember that the TT origianally came with "solid" rubber tires. Pneumatic tires were initally aftermarket items. I do not know for sure, but I imagine that at some point Ford offered the balloon tires, but I don't know when or at what point the "solid" tires were abandoned.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 06:14 pm:

Wow, what a close match to my pickup, down to no paint on the metal and remains of green paint on the wood! I like the sliding doors too. Best of all it's really close to me so I'm going to check it out. I'd like to see if it's a Mifflinburg.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 07:09 pm:

The rear tires are 30X5 making this a '25-27 truck. Prior to that rear tires were 32X4.5 or solid. The brake pedal is 26-27 so... its a good deal for someone on the right coast!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 07:56 pm:

I'm working on a TT now in my shop, which is an early-to-mid-20's model. I'm not sure of the year of the truck; the engine is a '22. The wheels on the truck in question look like the ones on my project, which are all demountable, 30 x 3-1/2 on the front and 32 x 4.5 on the rear. The front ones on this truck could be 4.5 x 21, but the spokes look too long to me. (I could be wrong, of course.)

I'm no expert on TT's, but I think the earlier ones came with solid tires and later ones had pneumatic ones. I don't know where the dividing line is between earlier and later.

Check it out, Craig, and give us a full report. :-) Enquiring minds (and especially Dolo) want to know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 08:07 pm:

Great looking truck!!
Also, do not forget that the trucks did not advance to the later fenders for 1926 and I think most of the 1927s. They continued with the 1925 style on the TTs except with the motor.
I don't know if any TTs left the factory with the later fenders or not. But years ago I saw a few unrestored trucks with them, though they could have been changed post-factory. I have never seen a serial number on the TT frame, but again cannot say for sure.
Good luck, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 08:53 pm:

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The resemblance is amazing to me. Note the green paint on the side of mine (there's more than this on the other side if I recall correctly). This TT looks to have a body that closely resembles the photos in the Mifflinburg catalog that's been posted before.

Dad and I would be interested in having a nearly identical TT to go with the T pickup, but the wood on this one looks to be pretty "soft" in some of the pics, with it leaning/twisted to one side. Otherwise, I'd consider selling one of the Fairlanes to make space for this old guy.

Craig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Magedanz on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 08:57 pm:

I would definitely say a ’26 or ’27:
the swivel on the carburetor adjustment and water outlet/fan adjustment in one piece
the wide pedals
the clipped-corner, two-rivet patent data plate


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 09:30 pm:

Wide peddles, steel firewall, High radiator, wide radiator apron my guess would be '24-'25?
I'm still learning...so how did I do?

I would suggest 4 new inner tubes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 02:02 am:

The later TT'S also had the serial number stamped on the frame like the cars did. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 07:10 am:

Seller has added serial number of engine to site. 1926. Also states that engine is free.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 01:48 am:

Hey, I thought that engine was identical to mine, even if I wasn't sure what I was looking at. Up to $2,000, Rick is starting to want to bid. I asked seller if he would get a better shot of the rear underneath, it may just be a broken leaf, what do you guys think about the wonky bed?
Dolo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Edward J. Baudoux on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 02:07 am:

Left side main timber is broken, or rotted. I wish this truck were in my barn.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Hughes on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 01:45 pm:

Dolo, What you are seeing as a "wonky bed" could just be due to the nasty tires. One side resting closer to the rim than the other. Looks like a really solid place to start. Good luck if you do decide to bid.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 06:55 pm:

Dolo -- As Edward said above, the left side main sill is broken or rotted, letting the left rear corner of the body sag quite a bit. From the pictures, it looks like most of the wooden body could be re-used, but it would need to be removed to replace the main sill. And of course, the chassis should be completely rebuilt for the sake of safety and dependability if you intend to drive it. Are you and Rick ready to embark on a pretty much complete rebuild of this truck? If so, go for it. But don't go into it thinking you'll be able to just patch up a few things here and there and be able to use it that way. You could find your enthusiasm dampened in a hurry.

I love the "patina" the body has, and that could be preserved. The chassis could be rebuilt but not painted to look new, in keeping with the "old truck" character. So "old truck" or restored truck, it could go either way depending upon what you want. Just some food for thought...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 04:53 am:

The seller verified that the problem was the main sill on the left side, so I don't really have an issue with that if most of the wood is reusable. We wouldn't be in a rush to get it on the road, realizing the present condition. My dad is super at systematically going through a car to see how safe it is.

Mike, I agree with you about the patina, in fact, when we got the Fordor back from the paint shop, I almost regretted having gone with such a glossy finish. Especially when we chose to leave the chassis more "natural". Learn as we go, and the paint will eventually age.

I think we will be okay with the wood repair, Rick and I have remodeled 2 old houses, learned to make compound mitres and a few other tricks and Dad's father was a building contractor/carpenter. The difficulty would come in the form of Rick wanting to beef everything up and use two screws where every one should be.

The price seems to be holding steady, so I'm optimistic that with transport costs it may remain pretty reasonable. We would like to get our second T and it being a 26 makes is a partner for the Fordor.

Dolo on vaction.....in Texas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 09:34 pm:

Doesn't look like I'll have time to check it out.

However, I hope somebody who wants to 'fix it up good enough to preserve it and stop there' will get it. The main thing is that you don't want someone throwing it on a trailer and taking off. To do it right, the cab and roof need wrapped up and everything that's loose buckled down. Just because you're paying a big bill for transport doesn't mean they will care about it whatsoever. Nor will they take an extra 2 seconds because it looks so fragile. Just the bouncing from the road bumps may shake that back end loose and mess up the bed, roof, doors, you get the idea. I guarantee you that truck has never gone 70mph in it's life so who knows what will fly off from the wind alone!

I'm guessing it'll clear $4000 by the time it's done. No bidding counts until the end.

Craig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 12:13 am:

You're right Craig, someone closer can afford to pay more for the car and see to it being relocated safely in person. I don't suppose I'll be the only one interested, they are probably waiting like me til it gets closer.

I may have to consider finding someone who would transport it in a closed box because I don't want it in a pile in the road. We'll see how it works out, but if I were to win it, maybe I could find a consultant to oversee transport preparations.

Dolo, soon to be leaving Austin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 02:50 pm:

Dolores,

Due to my limited free time I cannot promise anything. However I am a lot closer to you and if you should happen to win it I would be happy to help in any way I can which could include transport and storage to a "safe zone for T's" in W. PA or even just some help prepping it for the ride before the shipper gets there. Like I said though I just can't promise anything. Working for a coal company isn't the best way to have lots of play time!

Craig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bryan Grube on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 07:26 am:

Use an enclosed hauler service. There's lots of them & they are insured. I'll probably never haul a car again cross country. It was so easy & arrived at my door in a few days. They do the prep, although they charge more for a non -running car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 10:16 am:

I looked up what an enclosed car carrier company would charge to transport this truck approx. 200 miles down here to the DC/N.VA. area. Nearly $1000! Wow!

Because of the tenuous state of the wood body I would not consider hauling it any distance without major reinforcement of the left rear body area. Notice that a vertical brace has already been added to the left center of the body to add some support to the broken sill. Without additional support in this area I would be afraid of the body racking further and possibly having the rear area breaking further. I doubt that any car transporter would take this necessary step to ensure safe arrival.

After having my 27TT secretly delivered on a flat bed for a 70 mile distance, by a good friend who wanted to surprise me, the wind caught the roof and tore a couple of holes in it. No real damage since the roof really needed replacing anyway. The whole point is I will NEVER haul a car on an open trailer exposed to the elements again.

Too bad there is not enough time to properly evaluate the condition of this truck personally. It could be a good buy or it could turn out to be the proverbial pig in a poke.

Tony


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Edward J. Baudoux on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 11:05 am:

Over 4 grand for that? Mixed feelings. Suppose we should be glad to see values climbing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 02:20 pm:

Compare to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Model-T-Ford-Truck-Not-Restored-/310239070949?pt= US_Cars_Trucks#ht_500wt_1100

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 02:24 pm:

Please note that the above Ford Model T is 3 cylinder. Makes it a rare bird indeed.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 03:22 pm:

Probably meaning only 3 cylinders have pistons in them???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 04:06 pm:

I have to admit,last price check I did this morning,I was shocked.I woulda thought 2500-3000 woulda been tops.
But it is good for the seller and i hope the buyer is getting his moneys worth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolores Fillman on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 01:30 am:

Well, we did bid and someone must have been willing to go higher than us, especially considering we had to allow for transport. I'm sure the right one will come along. Thanks for the offers of help and information.
Dolores, having vacation fun with friends and family


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 10:46 pm:

So did anyone on the forum win it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A.J. "Art" Bell on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 11:08 pm:

Sale ended - Aug-08-10 19:27:53 PDT
Winning bid- Aug-08-10 19:27:46 PDT - US $5,125.86


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 10:27 am:

Wowser!!! For less than $2000 more I got an original, unrestored, drivable 27TT farm truck with an original title!

Would liked to have had it but no place to keep it or remove the body. It will take probably another $2K just to get the missing parts reinstalled and replace the windows.

I wish the new owners the best.

Tony


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Sutton on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 01:13 pm:

Tony I did the same with my (car-chassis) truck but these don't show up often and if someone is looking for one they have to jump on it.

Craig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 08:09 pm:

Yep Craig,

When I saw my truck in the shed I asked, after recovering from the shock, whether it was for sale. Yes, it was. But the lady of the house knew exactly how much it was worth so I had to do some fancy talking to get a little off.

Whats nice about face to face discussions is you can take your time examining all the bits and pieces first hand without someone breathing down your back waving a hand full of cash!

After checking everything over after I got it home I could have put some gas in the tank, hooked up a battery and driven it out of the shed on three inflated tires.

These old girls (Henrietta) don't show up very often. I'm very fortunate to have it.

I found the son of the original owner, now 94, and struck up a nice friendship. Quite a guy!

Tony


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 08:15 pm:

Yep Craig,

When I saw my truck in the shed I asked, after recovering from the shock, whether it was for sale. Yes, it was. But the lady of the house knew exactly how much it was worth so I had to do some fancy talking to get a little off.

Whats nice about face to face discussions is you can take your time examining all the bits and pieces first hand without someone breathing down your back waving a hand full of cash!

After checking everything over after I got it home I could have put some gas in the tank, hooked up a battery and driven it out of the shed on three inflated tires.

These old girls (Henrietta) don't show up very often. I'm very fortunate to have it.

I found the son of the original owner, now 94, and struck up a nice friendship. Quite a guy!

Tony


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. C. Hawker on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 08:19 pm:

Sorry for the duplicate post. Can't seem to find reverse gear to delete it!


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