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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Tool Kit
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 11:35 am:

What (exactly) was included in the tool kit that came with the car? Specifically 1923, if there's a difference.I have the adjustable wrench, The S shaped plug/head bolt wrench,the pliers,a U shaped box end wrench and the screw driver. How many & what size open end wrenches and how many (if any) tire irons are there? It's the tool roll kit I'm referring to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 11:58 am:

Check the pictures of tools in the parts book for 1923. It lists, and shows pictures of all the tools you will need.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 12:29 pm:

From the MTFCA encyclopedia,

http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/index.htm

TOOLS
Supplied with the car

Note: The design of Ford-supplied tools changed through the years. While the same part numbers were used, all of the same number were not necessarily exactly alike.
1909-1913
T1349 hub cap wrench. T1387 adjustable wrench. T1902 screwdriver. T1903 pliers. T1904 spark plug wrench. T1917 wrench. T2336 tool roll. T2337 oil can. T2338 tire pump. T2340 tire iron.
1914-1916
T1349, T1387, T1902, T1903, T1917, T2335 cylinder head wrench, T2336 T2337, T2338, T2340.
1917-1920
Same as 1916 but T2343 jack added.
1921-1927
T1903 pliers modified to have screwdriver blade on one handle and the T1902 screwdriver was dropped. Otherwise the same as 1920. T2344 jack handle added in late 1925. In 1926 and 1927 cars with wire wheels were supplied with a P/N 2891 “T” shaped wrench for the wheel lug nuts.

TOOL ROLLS
The earliest tool roll record is dated September 4, 1913. The drawing indicates it was factory number T-1979 and was made of six-ounce waterproof duck. It had pockets for the tools and was tied with a strap. The flap had beveled edges.

The next change was on October 23, 1914 when the drawing was brought up to date as the rolls were then being made. The size changed to 13 by 19 inches (from 14 by 20 inches) with the width of the pockets changed accordingly. A pocket was added to the flap to be used in holding T-4729 repair patch and four tire patches, T-4726. The corners of the flap are square instead of beveled.

On March 3, 1915 the drawing was brought up to date as the rolls were being made at that time. The pocket in the flap was discontinued. On March 31, 1915 a note was added that the rolls were to be made from any scrap rubber or imitation leather, and were to be made by the Ford Motor Company.

In December 16 (the date is obscure) the drawing indicates the pockets were discontinued.

On December 6, 1920 a new design. It is now more of a bag than a roll. Apparently two versions were being made; one had a snap button to keep the flap closed and the other used a web strap. The button type appears to be new as the strap had been used for some time.

On June 5, 1924 a new drawing. The width went from 5 to 6 inches to 5-1/2 to 6-1/2 inches, and the length outside went from 16 to 17 inches to 12-1/2 to 13 inches. Glove fasteners were specified instead of the strap and buckle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 05:59 pm:

I don't recall who posted this list earlier on the MTFCA Forum or the year. Seems like it was Hap Arnold and it was a 1923 list. I did think it was good enough to keep though.

List


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:01 pm:

Notice that you get a jack handle (for use as a tire iron) and no jack or else it was there and did not fit in the kit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:28 am:

Apprectate it. Thanks. Afew more items to get.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:43 am:

The above list is for a much earlier car than a '23.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:52 am:

Larry is correct. That is a tookit packing list from 1914.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Howard Tobias on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 02:44 pm:

Picture of a tool kit from some else's post.
tools
Howard


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Shelton on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:18 pm:

So what is the correct jack and for what years?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:37 pm:

1925, I think: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/67060.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:44 pm:

Howard: that looks like what I've been hearing about! 2 questions: 1, No screwdriver? and 2, Only one open end wrench?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Shelton on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:46 pm:

I have the type with the screw shaft. It is Ford script...wrong for a T?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 05:58 pm:

Charlie, For 1923 you would have the cast iron screw jack with attached handle, tool bag, 2 tire irons, pliers, 1 band wrench. 1 hubcap wrench, 1 cylinder head/spark plug wrench, 1 adjustable wrench, 1 oil can, and 1 tire pump.

I'm not sure what year they changed from the brass tire pump to the black steel. The adjustable wrench pictured above is for a late 26-27 because it has the square "ear" on the end of the handle for removing the differential plug. For your 23 the end of the handle would just be rounded off. There would be no screw driver, other than the one on the plier handle. I believe the tool bag pictured above is for a Model A.

From what I've read this jack was used from 17 through 24 and would be correct for your 23. The jack pictured above was used from 25 through 27.



The tool bag pictured was used in 23. They are available from Lang's and probably other suppliers.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 03:19 am:

I still wanna know how he got that oil can so shined up.

I love a good factory tool kit.

I also love to see what some guys carry. Ranges from nothing to almost the whole machine shop and parts store.

Sure liked the idea of the ford emergency kits shown in the magazine.

I do think ford gave out bailing wire with the tools as so many Ts have this kind of repairs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 09:50 am:

In Australia we have a lot of the csrew type cast iron jacks. Auto specialties was one brand. There are others. I bought a Ford script Cast iron screw jack at Chickasha this year. Of interest is the fact that every component part of the jack has its own part number cast into it. Those were the days, when you could buy what you needed to fix stuff! Does anyone have a spare gear which screws up and down the shaft? I have a good jack except for the gear which has its internal thread completely stripped. Checked out a spare I have for parts and same thing is wrong.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 12:24 pm:

So except for the (possibly) incorrect jack Howard's pic is correct. Eric: I too have seen so many of these box mounted tool kits There was no way I could tell whats right. My jack is incorrect also but it's so much beefier that the correct one I'll stick with it. Anyway I'm alot closed to complete that I thought. Thanks everyone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles W. Little on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 03:42 pm:

Howard's picture is essentially correct for mid 25 on. The hub wrench with only the tapered spindle cone was used after 7/25/25 according to John Regan (see copy of article on his website). The USA on the adjustable wrench (and also the small Model A wrenches) was actually added on Nov, 25 1931. (see "A Guide to Tools for the Model A, second edition, by David Adair).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 03:49 pm:

Once more into the breech.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 07:03 pm:

These mounted cases are very popular and excellent, if not original. The good news, they are still available if you need one.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eric flower on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 08:06 pm:

So let me get this .....

......this one is for the early 20's T

and this one is what I need to find for my 1926 T.....Is that right



Thanks Guys!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 08:14 pm:

Yes Eric, but perhaps you should have a flip top without a hole for your 1926, according to James A. Golden's picture:
jacks
From left to right: 1928 model A, 1926/27 & 1925.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Rosenkrans on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 08:42 pm:

Also, if you have steel spoke wheels rather than wooden spoke wheels on the '26, you'll need the T-shaped lug-nut wrench rather than the multihole one. The left-hand case in Jim Golden's post shows that wrench. The right-hand case is for a '29 Model A.


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