Early T brass firewall/dash trim

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Early T brass firewall/dash trim
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary White on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 08:23 pm:

Just curious how the brass trim on the early T's were affixed...were they screwed on, pressed on, nailed on?

I see that there are a couple different repros out there, one is solid stock and another has a 3/4" hollowed out portion to fit over the firewall.

Were both used?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:13 pm:

Trim was held on with #7 oval(French) head screws. The hollowed out stuff was used on the two-piece dashs. Ask John Regan(Fun Projects) for the correct spacing of screws.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:14 pm:

Use brass oval headed screws, counter sunk into the strip.

The very early '09-'10 had no overhang of the brass strip over the edge of the wood firewall,that is the main difference in use.



'09 type brass strip, even the support brace to the filler wood piece for support of the windshield is flat to lay on the wood, the later braces have a hump to clear the wider brass strip.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary White on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:24 pm:

Thanks for the replies.

Dan, does your photo illustrate flat stock brass, or does the brass have an extruded channel or lip to fit over the dash?

Thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:44 pm:

Brass strip isn't basically flat, has a bit of a crown, but doesn't hang over the wood firewall.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:31 pm:

'09 screws were in fact #5 oval head screws. The #7 began later and was carried through 1914. I think the #7 began in late 1910 - I have that data somewhere but by 1911 they were #7 french head (just the name commonly given to a polished brass oval head screw). What is interesting is that beginning with the one piece dash for model year 1912, they used 2 different styles of #7 screws. They used oval head screws along the sides but FLAT HEAD screws along the top. This prevents the windshield frame from sitting UP on the heads of the oval head screws rather than flat on top of the flat moulding. 1911 was the beginning of the "wrap over the edge" style of moulding but for 1911 it was crowned and the edge of the dash had a crown on it to back up the brass moulding. The 1912-1914 dash used flat brass moulding that wrapped over the edge. Be careful what you buy since original dashes used from 1909-1914 were a full 3/4" thick but the repro dash moulding sold for 1912-1914 one piece dash is in fact made for nominal 3/4" plywood since it is made by the repro dash maker and those are NOT 3/4" thick but a full 1/32" thinner so you will find it tough sledding to fit the 1912-1914 repro brass trim on your original dash.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By willie k cordes on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:43 pm:

A lot of the 09/10 cars restored have the incorrect brass strips connecting the two piece dash boards. I have not seen the correct strips in any of the vender catalogs that I have.
The early brass trim over the wood dash were called "half oval". (09 to 10). The half oval trim did not need the hump in the connecting metal strips.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 10:29 am:

Isn't it funny how Ford used so many odd ball screws back then. 5's, 7's, 9's and '14s. I have been able to get the 9's I use until recently. I had a real difficult time finding some #9X 1/2 round head slotted wood screws we use for our terminal blocks. I put a post on the forum, and a fellow from Fresno had some. I hope I can find another batch along the line.


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