Questions about a basket case

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2010: Questions about a basket case
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 07:36 pm:

I went and looked at this T because I need a body and it was only an hour away. As you can see the body is missing pieces and no wood remains. It looks to be a high cowl, there is a hood with it. The block is busted, water jackets gone, water came out the petcocks. Model A rear wheels. There is a starter, generator, battery carrier. Those things I need to build the wife a car, well that and the body. But could I ever piece that body back together? Why are there not 10 holes for the coil box? Later cars didn't have the battery/ mag connections like the older ones? I'm considering it but it's bad. I have a running chassis to put a body on, except this would require a bit more than just putting it on.Only one fender could be made useable.There is what appears to be the driver side front panel laying inside it, but it has a cut out for a door. It's a USA car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 08:13 pm:

Corey,

I’m a little tired so I will answer the obvious question: “Why are there not 10 holes for the coil box?” The later cars with the switch on the instrument panel rather than a switch on the coil box used 9 rather than 10 insulators.

Yes, the metal dash and the cowl are for a 1924-1925 high cowl touring/roadster.

Could you rebuild and use that body – sure – but with only two photos – it is really hard to judge what can and what cannot be rebuilt economically. I.e. it will need a wood kit (either purchased or made by you). If you need to replace all the body panels – then the body would not be of much help except to provide the body irons and metal body braces. If the price is very low and if you have room to store the parts while you sort out what to use and what to get rid of, then it probably would not hurt to get it. Do the body panels have a lot of rust out? Are there lots of extra bends and creases in the body panels? I cannot tell from the photo. Also – are the other parts worth the price that is being asked?

You mentioned that there is a door opening on the driver’s side. That normally would indicate a non-USA body. Look to see if there are any square drive screws for the door hinges etc. If so – then it probably is a Canadian body. If not, someone may have added an accessory driver’s door to the body. They were offered for sale back in the day.

I would recommend looking for a better body, if that is what you are wanting. It may cost you more – but from the little bit I can see in the photos – it could save you a lot of time, money and effort in the long run. Again – if the metal is solid and is only missing the wood – that is better – but it looks rough in those photos. Note in some countries there are very few bodies left and that would be a good candidate to restore. But I think in the USA, you can find a better body.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap ..l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 08:27 pm:

Hap, I wish I had taken more pictures. The panels that are there aren't really beat up but some are missing.It seems like they were o.k. when parked then the wood just rotted away. The running boards and engine say "made in USA" I thought about it being Canadian. A better body would be nice but this one is so close. I could probably afford a body, but not the gas to get up north where they all are. There are useable chassis parts, but I have frames and rear ends etc. everywhere already. I wish I could see inside that engine to see if anything inside is useable. I need a flywheel with a ring gear but it may be too rusty. I just wish more was there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 09:37 pm:

Corey:

Here's mine in this thread: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/154886.html?1284406326

I started with a car that was in about the same condition as yours, or just a bit better, but not much. The body in my pictures is from two bodies, and a repro wood kit. I didn't want to get into a lot of metal work, and I am not restoring in the classic sense, but am re-creating an original looking "in service" appearance car.

If you read the thread, you will see that only two MAJOR pieces of the body are reproduction: the rear seat toe panel and the rear body panel.

If you have any questions, and decide to get the car in your pictures, I might be able to offer my experiences, insight, and possibly any parts that you might not have. I currently have two extra quarter panels, and a complete driver's side panel as well as the uprights for the rear quarters and rear door posts (which are steel). The panels do need some work but are usable.

An easy way to determine if you have a high hood car verses a low hood car, the hood side panel will be 14" tall in the rear and the side molding on the body panels will not extend lower than the top door hinge. But a high hood has something that a low hood does not: two dimples on each side for the hood latches.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 09:48 pm:

William, your's looks nice. I would need the driver side panel. Too bad my running chassis is a 21 with a low radiator. Maybe I could make it into a homemade pickup and build another car with a touring body. Big thoughts for someone who can barely afford a set of spark plugs:-) I sure am thinking about it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 09:56 pm:

If you are good working with wood, you could replace all the wood. You could also get a kit. As far as the missing body parts, you would need to visit all the swap meets, advertise in club website and or Vintage Ford and local club newsletters. It's hard to find one particular part for a certain year car, but not impossible. The driver's door would be likely the hardest to find.

You could also look at catelogs to find new reproduction body parts, for a price. If you can find one, it would likely be better to look for a better body. Or you could make a depot hack or pie wagon if you are good at wood work.

Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 10:14 pm:

Norman, That's the part that scares me, woodworking. I bought a wood kit for my 14 and it didn't seem to fit right but I got it to work. Maybe if I had more tools I could build the wood kit, maybe. I'm a welder and can fix metal. My 14 was pretty bad in places.I thought about a hack but I really would like a touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Peterson on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 07:55 pm:

i would say thats a USA car, im pretty sure the door he is talking about on the drivers side is the rear door, left front panel is missing in the photos, so i would say a USA car not canadian


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