Subj: Wanted team to tackle cold case Canadian, Australian, New Zealand “Mystery Ford Ring”– weapons not allowed

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:51 pm:

Good day mates! It seems there is very little documentation on what a certain Henry Ford did or did not do with early Ford production in Canada and many of the other Commonwealth countries. While quite a few facts and theories have been collected in two different dossiers, the first labeled “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia” submitted as “Exhibit A.” at http://mtfca.com/encyclo/mccalley.htm . And the second labeled “The English Model T Ford” submitted as “Exhibit B” available at various vendors. It must be noted that no such documentation is readily available on what this Mr. Ford did or did not do in several other countries he is suspected of operating. Allegations exist that he may have been involved in some sort of dealing in cars or trucks. It is suspected he may have been shipping parts rather than cars across international boundaries to avoid tariffs and then having the parts assembled in the new location to be sold as cars. There are some questionable circumstances that should be documented. It appears that he routinely ground the “Made In USA” markings from engines blocks which surely warrants further investigation.



(Photo compliments of Garry Potter)

And replacing the “Made in USA” on many of the other parts on automobiles he is believed to be responsible for or at least involved with. Is there something amiss here – do we even know about when some of these events occurred?

If you would like to join in this task of helping to uncover and locate missing evidence such as “Price List of Parts”; Sales brochures; Advertisements from local sources, and other documentation that would help determine what Mr. Ford did or did not do concerning transportation in certain countries – don’t hesitate to join us.

We anticipate making the findings available as an addendum to Bruce’s excellent USA dossier. See additional details at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/111749.html
The goal is to clarify what changes did and did not occur to any Fords allegedly constructed in whole or part in Canada and sent to other countries. Once documented it will be readily available for both current and future Model T enthusiasts.

For an example of some information that could be collected and put in one location see the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/170112.html?1289430445 where some information from several sources appear to track down what the Canadian and Australian 1926-27 step plates look like (and possibly 1925 – still need additional information on that.)

If you are interested in helping with the dangerous well ok – not so dangerous mission – please post a note and or send me an e-mail. Just click on my name at the top of this posting and my e-mail address is the third line down or you can send me a Private Message (PM) via the forum. I am specifically trying to locate a way to scan documents that are on that side of the world without having to mail them here. I would hate for an original to be lost in the mail. Does anyone know of some good scanning ideas for use in Australia? We are especially a book scanner so the document could be place on the edge of the scanner and not have to be flattened out. We have access to some fragile documents – a copy of the Jan 1, 1933 Model T Price List of Parts from Ford of Australia.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CHRIS MARTIN on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 01:26 am:

There are a lot of guys down here who have already done a lot of that research, and hopefully one day someone will get a thorough book together of the history and the Australian variants. As for scanners, I still have my old Hewlett Packard ScanJet3300C but it won't run on Windows XP, although I have downloaded the correct driver software from H-P's website it still tells me it is looking for Windows 98.
If I can get it working agin one day, it is a good scanner for books and other non-flat items.
Anyone got any ideas? Any 'nerds' out there?
Chris Martin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money, Braidwood, IL on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 08:27 am:

Chris, did you try turning off WIA in services? If you need help doing it let me know by email.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 09:30 am:

I apologize for the confusing posting. I was trying to make the plea of help in documenting the Canadian, Australian, New Zealand etc. Ford information. I thought it would make it more interesting to have it a “who dunit” mystery based on the now defunct USA TV series “Cold Case” that took old crimes that had not been solved and used new evidence or technology to help solve them [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Case_(TV_series) ]. I received a nice note from Peter saying he had read the posting and didn’t really understand what I was asking for. I’m sure others also did not understand it.

What I am looking for is someone or group of folks that would be willing to work with us to scan & capture Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, etc. information to be added to Bruce McCalley’s “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia” CD as either an addendum or a new section etc. See: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/111749.html

Short term: I have an offer from someone in Australia to “snail mail” a copy of the Australian 1933 Model T Price List of Parts (both one with and another without prices). But it is in fragile condition. I am hoping we can find a good location there in Australia to scan the fragile pamphlets without having to flatten them out which probably would damage them – so we shouldn’t do that.

Longer term – I am looking for a team down under that would be willing to start locating the available AU etc. documents and information and start scanning them and sending them this way for inclusion into the Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia.

If you would be willing to help with that effort or know of others who might, please let me know and/or give my contact information (see: http://www.mtfca.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profil e=hap_tucker-users my e-mail address is the third line down or send a PM and I will gladly send you address etc.)

Again, I apologize for any confusion – I’m just trying to recruit volunteer help and avoid losing any documentation because of the Post Office sending something to the wrong address (they are human).

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 07:06 pm:

Dear Hap,

Unlike the US, Australia only became a single Ford identity in March 1925 with the formation of Ford Australia. I am led to believe that original documents still reside with Ford Australia in Geelong. The previous 'T' friendly part time, volunteer historian there with umpteen years knowledge recently passed away about 6-9 months ago from old age. The newly appointed person has no idea what is there nor how to access it, let alone see it or copy it. Peter Kable or Ray Green can probably fill us in better on the situation currently exsiting at Geelong. I am told the person there now doesn't even know what a model 'T' is...

May I suggest a formal application on letterhead to Ford Australia's Discovery Centre from the MTFCA outling the objectives and our wishes to see the material? To give our US readers some idea of distances Adelaide to Geelong is about 500 miles, Sydney to Geelong about 650 miles & Brisbane to Geelong about 1,100 miles. The person or team to look at this needs to be reasonably local to Geelong, perhaps even Melbourne if possible.

Remember that from August 1917 with the passing of the War Precautions Act in Australia prohibiting the importation of whole cars renders any US or more particulalry Canadian body litrature defuct. Each state went there own way and built their own "standard" Ford bodies. They had to in order to survive. New Zealand & South Africa continued to import whole cars. I won't bother mentioning England as they are in the northern hemisphere; half a world away.

I can scan and donate a copy of a Canadian 1923 parts list to the project. This has been an invalubale source of true dating (that is US date and information that has never been accurate for us) for our Ford 'T's. Dave C.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Deichmann, Blistrup, Denmark on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 10:53 pm:

Hap - I can offer to extend the scope to Europe and Copenhagen in particular. Not much is left, even the factory is no demolished. However we have circumstantial evidence that Copenhagen was sourced from both Dearborn as well as Manchester.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable Kiama Australia on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 12:10 am:

Hap,

I have parts lists for most years in the 20's plus some up to 1937.

The price lists are
1921,
1922
1923
1926
1930
1935
1937

The ones from 1926 also contain TT lists
the 1935 &37 have the Ruckstell as well.

The part books are first from Canada and then printed in Australia (Geelong. They contain RHD as well as LHD part numbers).

They seem to only be mainly from about 1920 but there would be eariler ones. the first non Detroit one I have is 1921. Its labeled for Ford Model T 1909 to 1920. -Ontario
Then comes 1922 -Ontario
1923-Ontario
1927-? Not sure where printed(cover missing but it also contains marine and tractor products).
1930 -Geelong

What do you want first?

The club also did have some of these Canadian parts books. I know I gave some many years ago when Bruce and I were putting together Canadian info (engine No's etc) At one time there was a call for any of these (USA and elsewhere) to be sent to the editor for copying.

Don't know if its going to help scanning or copying all of them I think the information would be identical. The actual sizes of the books and price lists vary a lot in size also. From A4 down to a 1/3 of that size.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 12:34 am:

One day I will buy a new scanner as my old one will not marry up to my latest PC program, I do have a 1909/17 parts list Canadian, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa edition...Kerry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john r. wightman on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 11:49 am:

Hap: Your post dovetails with something I have I've been trying to figure out what to do with. There really should be a central location for filing oversea Model T documenttion, as they are very different and interesting. Frankly, I think the Model T hobby is growning much faster oversea, esp. in England/Ireland, NZ and Australia than it is in the US. When I sell T parts on Ebay I sell at least 40-50% to buyers overseas. I'm more of a brass era guy but have owned 3 or 4 "black era" Canadian T's and still own a 26 Tudor Canadian. Anyway, quite some time ago, i was given 2 large correspondence files from a Ford dealer in Saskatoon, Sask Canada. The dealer wasn't real successful as the area is rather poor financially, so it looks like the dealer might have only been selling a few cars or tractors a month. The files contain every letter written by the dealer to Ford Canada and every letter Ford Canada wrote back to the dealer, plus the press releases Ford Canada sent out for the dealers to use in the local press, plus the financing documents for Fordson and Ford sales. The letters are all in date order (filed by a secretary) and have lots of interesting info (well, I think they are interesting at least) about Ford in the 1919-1920 time frame. Specifically they span January 1, 1919-June 30, 1920. Kinda interesting reading, for example, Winged Ford logo was used on the Letterhead until early 1920, much later than I previously thought. Also, there were a lot of rumors when Ford closed the assembly plant in 1919 that the Model T was a goner, but they were just converting over for electric headlights and related parts. There's about 425 documents as I recall. I was tempted to sell them on Ebay for $5 each, but I thought you guys might kill me, so they've been sitting in the garage for years. Apparently all the letters dealer's letters were stored for decades in the attic and were kept until a few years ago, but thrown in the dump when the building was cleaned out by a new owner, these were forgotten when the garbage truck pulled out. I am not real sure they will provide help to you in your Quest, but you'd be welcome to scan them if you want. Sorry this post got so long, but your idea is a good one (as always). Rollie in Phoenix


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang - Brentwood Bay BC on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 12:09 pm:

Boy, I'd love to read those letters John. I hope they do get scanned.

I can't offer any help on this project, as I don't know anything.
I am excited to learn more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Grant Landy on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 07:27 pm:

Hap,David,Peter and other,
The passing of Australian Ford historian, Adrian Ryan was a sad event. Adrain was a wealth of knowledge on the FoMoCo. Australia. all is not lost however! The Victorian Model T Club has great relations with the Ford Discovery Centre (Ford Museum) in Geelong. The timing of this project coming along is great. Next weekend I will take Dad's 1910 Tourer to the 100th anniversary of the City/Shire of Geelong where it will feature at the Gala Ball at this celebration. All this has been organised by the management of the Ford Discovery Centre. I am taking the car down for no fee so perhaps a good trade will be to make the Ford management aware of this project and see what sort of access we can gain to the records?? Perhaps as David suggested,Hap, you could assisit me with making a more formal proposal to Ford Australia with the details of this "mission".
Regards,
Warwick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 01:16 am:

Michael,

Yes, I would love to capture any European information you can locate. And I would assume it will be easier to find information now rather than 20 years from now. Thank you for offering to help.

Warwick,

I’m sorry to hear of Adrian Ryan's passing. More and more of the folks that have a lot of information and/or experience about the Model Ts are leaving us.

All,

I am very thankful for the responses and also for the timing of the discussion and the upcoming 100 anniversary of the City/Shire of Geelong. Yes, I believe we should make a formal request/offer to work with the Ford Discovery Centre or other personnel there. My major goal is to capture the information before more of it becomes lost and to make it more easily available for others both now and in the future. And I would like to include it with Bruce McCalley’s “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia” as that already provides an excellent source of information on the USA produced cars as well as some information about the Canadian produce cars. If any of you know who we should speak with or address a letter and/or e-mail to concerning working on this project with the Ford Discovery Center or other group, please let us know. At this point I think Warwick, you probably will have the best opportunity to speak with the different people and find out who we could work with. Please let me know your thoughts on who we should address a request to. I would also like some help in drafting or at least reading the request. Some things which are fine in the USA language might possibly be a little odd or even out of place for Australia?

Peter -- thank you so much for your offer. And yes, we should check here in the USA to find out if some of those documents that were previously sent are still available etc. I know Bruce had access to and included the information from a 1927 Price List of Parts. And he may have had other Australian price list? I know he also had at least one Canadian price list and that also is included in his compilation. I would like to obtain good scans of all the different years. Approximately 99 percent would probably be the same from some years to the next, for example the 1921 to 1922 years – probably not much changed. But by capturing the documents we have a better chance of finding items that did change and for documenting when items changed. For the smaller size documents, some scanners have a capability to make the scanned image bigger. My older scanner had that and it was a nice feature. Probably not needed for the text, but for the illustrations it could be helpful.

It has been a long day for me. I’ve been re-warehousing items. Not only have I gained weight as I’ve gotten older but it appears that the T parts have also gained some weight. I used to be able to pickup the transmission and flywheel and walk around with it from one bench or location to the next. Now I look for the dolly or for someone to help me lift it! Oh well.

Again, thank you all for your support to our hobby. I look forward to working with you and others who will be able to join us.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:58 am:

Warwick, Joss would more likely be able to give you a great boost with that proposal, he has a good connection too with Ford USA.

David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:02 pm:

Hello All

Hap - you know I can and will help if required. It will be interesting to see what else surfaces in the meantime.

Warwick - I was not aware Adrian Ryan had died. He was indeed helpful and knowledgable. That is very sad indeed.

Anyone who can help... this is a timely appeal to protect Ford history, especially the 'colonial' history. I am in possession of much material, and not just from the T era, that I figure really does not belong to me. I am simply a guardian. Without going into detail, I am also aware that, surprisingly, historical items are still dumped. I am a little out of touch at present but, when Ford-NZ changed premises a couple of years ago, the plan was to send their archive to either the Discovery Centre in Geelong, or to Detroit. Either way, this was a concern for local historians.

Now that Adrian has died, this is possibly more than a concern. It may be a potential threat.

This is not a slight on Ford or their current employees anywhere, who are simply not paid to preserve history (especially in this economic environment).

If an approach is going to be made to Ford to preserve their 'colonial' history, eg Ford of Canada, now would probably be a good time to begin talks with them. Production at Geelong, if it hasn't stopped already, is going to stop and, being pragmatic, I wonder about Ford's on-going commitment in that city.

The intent of this message is to inspire some ideas, rather than knock the Ford Motor Co. For instance, it may be a good time to look at establishing a trust to receive historical information, and possibly buy a relevant building or space in which to house it! Geelong? Wellington (the building is still there!)? Windsor? Would Ford in Detroit (Ford Foundation) assist with funding? Would past agencies help?

While the T history is a suitable place to start, other model / era history should be included too, opening up access to all Ford clubs who may join in too?

But I think the MTFCA is the best place to start!

Hap - I wonder if it deserves a seperate thread title? It is the same as yours, but different!!!!

Best wishes
John Stokes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 06:41 pm:

Hap, I've sent you a scan of the 1927 Geelong parts list which may be of interest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Grant Landy on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 07:27 am:

John and Others,
Rest assured that the Ford Australian archives are still in good hands. They now have a new historian employed 3 days a week. Her current mission is to get all the records relocated to a new climate controlled facility and then the good work of Adrian's can be continued.they will be calling for interested persons to become part of volinteer groups, specialising in different areas, such as Model A, V8's , Falacons etc.
That aside, my currnet mission is to establish a database of what Australian/Canadian/New Zealand parts catalogues and promotional articles that we all have amongst ourselves. It may well be that together we have more of that kind of stuff than Ford? I expect that thay have much more statistical info. such as yearly sales etc?
If you are interested to register your printed material on the data base send me an email; and let me know what you have. Once we know what we have the long term view is to reproduce it all and store it electronically.
the typical imformation I will be listing will be the owner,year of printing, basic content, number of pages and the page size.
Regards,
Warwick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 01:50 pm:

For John Hunter – thank you so much for sending me the electronic copy of the Apr 1, 1927 provided by the Ford Motor Company of Australia PTY.LTD . I also appreciate the photo of your “1926 Geelong Ford” survivor. You have a real piece of Australian history with that car. I have saved the file and I will forward it to Warwick. This would be an example of an item we most likely would not need to scan again.

For Rollie and others with pre 1928 Ford related information (that would include items printed after 1927 but that contained T etc. information)-- yes -- we would be interested in cataloging and scanning appropriate items. Feel free to send me an e-mail with the titles & dates of non Canadian/Australian/New Zealand etc. items you have that could be scanned and added to the available data. For any Canadian/Australian/New Zealand etc. items – please send that title, date, etc. information to Warwick and “cc” me. One of my goals is to avoid mailing documents back and forth between the USA and other countries to cut down on the risk of loss. And we may find that some of the documents have already been scanned and do not need to be scanned again. Or that two or more of you have the same document in which case we would not want to have you duplicate your efforts. Once they are scanned electronically it is very easy to mail a DVD or CD and if it gets lost in the mail – it is very easy to “burn another copy.”

For Warwick -- the timing appears to be right for this project. Thank you so much for stepping up to move it forward there in Australia. I will gladly support in any way that I can. I have sent an e-mail to Bruce McCalley, Joe Fellin the MTFCA president, Tom Miles the MTFCA Vice President, and Jay Klehfoth the CEO/Editor asking them who we should contact at the MTFCA to request their endorsement and support of this project. Earlier you indicated that would be helpful. From your latest posting you may already be past that need? and moving on as you gather titles, dates, and who has which documents.

Note, I have a Jan 1, 1925 Canadian Price List of Parts, approximately 3 1/4 x 6 inches, 100 pages including the front and back covers. I will gladly scan that and send it in if it will help. Also there were several Canadian and Australian documents on the MTFCI “Digital Library of Model T Literature” They are scanned as images so I do not think they can be searched for words etc. But one of us should contact the MTFCI to find out if we can incorporate some of Canadian/Australian etc. information or if we would need to rescan it.

For everyone – we can accomplish so much more together than any of us can accomplish by ourselves. If you can support this project that is great! But if not, thank you for supporting our hobby and club in so many other ways. Form answering someone’s question to giving someone a ride in your car – each one of you does so much to promote our club and hobby. Thank you.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Stokes on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 02:21 am:

Warwick,
Thanks for your response and reassurance. I have just had a look at the website for the Discovery Centre, and can see that it is set up as a not-for-profit trust, which is excellent. Had had been under the impression that it was a Ford-owned entity. Clearly it is supported by Ford, which is excellent; my concern was that, should anything happen to the Ford Motor Co (perish the thought), what would then happen to the collection held in trust?
I am aware of people in NZ who do have items of value and of interest, but they are not so keen to pass items on (ie donate) unless there is a sense of perpetuity in the organisation. And I understand and support that.
Quite possibly the Ford Discovery Centre may be well placed to take on that role? Possibly for all of the Commonwealth (except Britain).
These are simply thoughts.
John Stokes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peter kable Kiama Australia on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 04:39 am:

I have thought for a long time about what I should do with the stuff I have collected over the years.

I'm thinking the best place is the MTFCA club headquarters or wherever the editor for the Vintage Ford has access to it. We now have a museum which may be able to be expanded to include a library of Model T information. Members of the club with an interest and investment in Model T's are always going to be more likely to look after and be appreciative of records and ephemera that a hired hand of any enterprise. Especially an overall general one such as the Discovery Center which is for all things Ford, Falcons,Mustangs, Cortina's Mondeo etc.

Warwick, I don't know how true it is but when Norm Darwin and I were putting together the Ford In Australia book in the early 1980's Ford Australia had virtually nothing we could use. The earliest info was in the 1950's. They had a filing cabinet which every motor journalist had access to. They just took out any thing they needed and left with it till eventually there was nothing of interest left.

At that time I used to take students to the Ford plant on Sydney and got to know the public relations guy. He searched around for me at the various plants and was only able to come up with photo's of the building of the plants when they were being built. I hope there is is more but those who now work for Ford sell new cars they have little or no interest in old history


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CHRIS MARTIN on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 06:00 am:

And further to that, I was not too impressed with the Geelong museum when I last visited about five years back.
There were two Ts, a brass radiator C-Cab van. and a late Tourer I seem to remember, alongside a'replica' GT40 and no knowledgable staff around.
They had dedicated more space to how the interior trim of a Falcon is designed than any real history.
The whole museum seemed like a token gesture for tourists rather than a genuine interest in their own heritage.
Chris M.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 08:37 am:

Hap,

While looking for a 1913 Canadian parts book I know I have, I found a 1915 Canadian parts book I didn't know I had! These are about the same size as the Instruction book which came with the cars. The 1913 one is stapled on the short side and the 15 on the long side.

Tell me how to get the info to you and I will have mu son/s get it done.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 09:31 am:

Allan,

Thank you so much! I will contact Bruce McCalley and get back with you (and others) on what format would be best and second best etc. It is smart to ask the kids for help with the computers. What can take me an hour my kids can do much quicker.

Warwick is initially documenting which documents are available. That way we will only need to scan the ones we do not have captured yet.

Again, thank you so much!

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 09:32 am:

We have sent a few e-mails behind the scenes to help sort out the direction we would like to initially take. Below is a summary of where I understand we are on the project. Our intention is to obtain scans Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, etc. earlier literature [sales, price list of parts, Canadian Ford Times etc.] and other related information such a pictures, letters, etc. .

Warwick Landy has volunteered to document what literature, pictures, etc. are available. This will be extremely helpful as we do not want to inadvertently cause four different people to scan the same item. If you have a piece of Canadian, Australian, NZ, etc. items that would be useful – please send Warwick a note with the year of printing, basic content, number of pages and the page size. (Also please “cc” me on your e-mail as I am trying to back Warwick up in case he has a computer crash etc.) In some cases it may be just as easy to scan a single photo and send it as it would be to describe the photo etc. But for larger documents we would suggest sending the title etc. to see if it is already scanned or not.

Jay Klehfoth has offered the MTFCA support/endorsement for the project – and we really appreciate that. Sometimes folks are a little hesitant to offer to help a group they have not heard of before. So if Warwick needs something from the MTFCA sent to the Ford Discovery Centre – Jay is willing to work that for us. At the moment it doesn’t seem to be needed. It appears that when Warwick brought his Dad’s Model T to the Centre (yes, that is the way it is spelled down under) that was enough proof that he really was interested in early Ford history and was not out just to waste their time.

Hap – that would be me – I will contact Bruce McCalley and obtain recommendations on how to have documents scanned. One of the goals is a much as possible/practical make the Canadian, Australian, NZ, etc. information compatable with his current “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopdeia.” I.e. putting the price list information in a format that it could be compared quickly with the existing USA data. For example the one man top was introduced in the Canadian production in the 1920 model year but the USA did not introduce the one man top until the 1923 model year. And the Canadian production had several different styles of one man top bows during the first few years while the USA I believe had a single style one man top from 1923 to 1925. I will contact Bruce and obtain his recommendations.

What about non-Canadian related items? We will start a separate thread on those items a little later. I’ll need to check to see what Price List of Parts etc. are already captured on Bruce McCalley’s “Comprehensive Model T Encyclopedia.” I believe he has just about all of the USA “Price List of Parts” already. But if he is missing one or two – I’m sure they would be a welcomed addition. But clearly there will be some other items that could be scanned and added such as the “Ford Times,” “Columbia Body Brochure for Ford Trucks,” etc. and other items. But we will address that on a separate thread later. If some of you are “chomping at the bit” to get that started – feel free to start that new thread. Otherwise, I’ll start one after the first of the year when things settle down a little (how many parties do we have in Dec?).


All – if you have some literature, skill, time, etc. that you would like to contribute to this effort please post a note and/or send an e-mail to Warick and “cc” me. Also – if you do not receive some sort of reply back with in a week or so – please remind us. Sometimes I hit the wrong button and things get deleted or moved and I don’t know where they went on the computer or if I printed them out – in my room.

Again, thank you to everyone for their help either with project or with the many other things each of you do to support our hobby and our club.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and l907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


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