Hi all --
Getting to the point of thinking about what color to paint the 1912 engine. I'm sure this has been talked to death, but specifically for the early cars, is there any consensus on what came out of the factory?
For my taste, either flat black or a dark gunmetal grey seems appropriate.
Thanks --- Scott
The block and head, and all the parts attached thereto, appear to have been unpainted in 1912. The engine pan was painted black.
I used re-buliders cast blast cast iron spray paint in a spray can on mine with black lower pan, it looks pretty good.
Royce, would Ford have put some sort of protective coating on it? Maybe an oil or something?
I wonder if there is a high temp clearcoat available that would work on our engines?
I've seen hi-temp clear in the paint store, but I've never used it so I don't know if it will yellow with age like some clears do when exposed to heat.
Hey this might work.
From my experience the stuff that takes 1,000 degrees to cure holds up real well normally if you do the right prep work. They may have this on the shelf at autozone? There are 500 degree and 1,000 degree paints. Try not to use the 500 degree stuff because it tends to spidercrack after a year or two (especially if you drive through water when the part is hot). If you were to scrub off as much rust as possible, even sandblast, let it flash rust then brillo pad it off so it darkens then coat with this it may look real nice
An electric heat gun from Harbor Freight is a good investment for curing this IMHO
I know AutoZone or as I call it "Ozone" since most employees are in the Ozone at my local store, carries Dupli-color hi-temp paint. I painted a set of Model A brake drums with it and they still look good after 8 years & 50K miles, mostly stop & go get the brakes hot type driving.
Ford did not have time to put any protective coating on anything. The engine leaked enough oil to keep it from rusting until it was sold by the dealer. You need to remember, cars were not expected to be useful longer than a few years. Ford did not build 1912 Model T's with the idea that they would exist 98 years later.
Did Ford paint the later engines? You know that cast blast stuff I put on mine really doesn't look that great :-/ I might do as you described and strip the paint then go over with the clearcoat. That is if Ford didn't paint the later cars engines.
Ford painted the improved car engines - a somewhat olive green, not the same color as model A engine green.
For whatever it is worth.
Step 84 of the engine assembly process outlined in Ford Methods and Ford Shops (1914 production) clearly states "Paint motor-remove from line" Unfortunately it does not elaborate upon the paint used.
Ron the Coilman
"Black is the absence of color" So is Black the right color?
These cars were being assembled at a fair in San Francisco. 1915. The engine in the foreground left is painted, compare it to the pile of axles.
The alum hogshead can be seen unpainted, but that inspection cover plate is black painted too.
Painted starter equipped engine on assembly line
What is the engine next to the pile of rear ends sitting in? Dan
Would be some kind of staged assembly rack or something to hold the finished engines while the 'production line' was underway at the fair.
The specific factory overhead or chain hoist lines couldn't be used in that exhibition hall, so the Ford guys came up with someway to deliver and hoist the engines to the chassis.
Looks like a big electric motor behind the engine. Is it one of the burn in machines that Ford did not use? Dan
These photos at the 1915 Fair in San Francisco are great!
Do you have any more?,if so can you share them with us.Some Towncars were produced at the Fair ,but we have never seen one at the Fair.The 1915 Towncar in Holland is one of them.
That's the only picture in the article. From 1916 Fordowner magazine.
Dan, maybe so, that stand could be a display showing how the factory 'ran-in' each engine prior to QA acceptance, the public would have liked to see that method of testing, as other mfg in the low cost field sure did not do such factory tests prior to shipping a car
Wasn't there an article from Trent Bogges on engine paint several years ago?
If memory serves, (which is dubious at beast!) Trent found conclusive documentation on all engine blocks being "painted" before they left the factory. The early "T"'s, 1909 through 1913, were painted with a product called Gleasonite.
Trent also found the documentation on the ingredients and the cost of the process.
The Gleasonite probably did not last very long. However I have seen several early blocks that were very greasy and when cleaned, there were remnants of black paint.
Gary, it's Gilsonite. No biggy, I have a similar memory problem.
Clear coat even high temp will yellow over time, unfortunately it aint been invented yet to keep the cast iron in its original form, thats what a few paint guys tell me !!!!
Dave and Gary, was that also the "black slush" used for painting some parts? The reason I ask is that we had a family friend who grew up in the teens and 20's as a real car nut. He told me the engine paint appeared very thin and runny when applied and had very little gloss. He refereed to it as Black slush paint.???
Gilsonite is in driveway coatings and dare I say it......... tar! Not sure if there's any Gilsonite in the modified bitumen type however.
I bought some driveway coat at Ace Hardware a couple years back that had Gilsonite in it.
Here's a bit more about it. It was used on Model A Parts as well, so I've done a little bit of reading on the subject.
Never could spell worth a damn!