1912 Overland vs 1912 T

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 10:04 am:

I ran across this neat 1912 Overland find on the auction site and wondered how the Overland compared to a T back in the day as far as price, performance etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1912-Overland-Model-59-Roadster-Model -T-Willys-/160519610765?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item255fb6e18d


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nevin Gough on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 10:25 am:

That is one awesome car! It would out perform a T, but those cone clutches and crash boxes can sometimes take the pleasure out of driving.

Ease of driving is one area where a T wins hands down....and the T was a much cheaper car back in the day.

It's great to see a car like that in such original condition. Thanks for sharing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Mortensen, Ham Lake, MN on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 01:09 pm:

At the time, I believe the Overland was #2 or #3 in sales, just behind the Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAREL J. LEIPOLD on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 04:17 pm:

Here is a quick history of the company up to when Kaiser bought it.
1908 John North Willys buys the Overland Automotive Division of Standard Wheel Company.
1912 John North Willys renames the Willys Overland Division to Willys-Overland Motor Company.
1936 Coming out of bankruptcy following the Great Depression, the company is reorganized as Willys-Overland Motors, Inc.
1940 Working from a Bantam Car Company design, Willys contracts to build military Jeeps for the war and produces about 360,000 vehicles by 1945.
1945 Willys-Overland begins producing the Civilian Jeep (CJ) line, with the introduction of the CJ2A model.
1946 Production begins on the Willys Jeep Wagon. Over 300,000 are manufactured between 1946 and 1965. Initially the all-steel wagons are only available in a burgundy and cream color scheme, the appearance of which suggested the "Woodie" wagon look typically found on wagons of this era.
1947 Production begins on the Willys Jeep Truck. From 1947 to 1965, more than 200,000 are manufactured.
1948 Production begins on the Willys Jeepster. Only 19,000 vehicles are manufactured from 1948 to 1950.
1949 CJ3A is introduced, and more than 132,000 are made before the production ends in 1953.
1949 Willys Wagons become available with 72 horsepower six cylinder motor, and four wheel drive - thus creating the first "sport utility vehicle".
1952 Willys CJ3B Jeeps go into production, with a raised hood to accomodate a taller "F" head engine with 25% more horsepower. By 1968, over 155,000 are sold.
1953 Kaiser buys Willys-Overland and changes name to Willys Motor Company.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 05:26 pm:

In 1912 Overland was number 2 in sales to Ford. The Overland in the eBay auction you referenced has a 35 HP engine, a cone clutch, three speed transaxle, two wheel brakes, an engine oiler, right hand drive, etc.

My 1912 Overland experience is that the cone clutch is smooth as silk and, if you pause long enough between shifts, and remember to fully depress the clutch pedal, it shifts almost effortlessly. The steering is also excellent with generous ratio that makes steering very easy. The engines were fairly good in that they had a 5 main crank and insert bearings. The brakes are lousy, on mine anyway, due to thin walled stamped steel drums that fade and warp. My car runs best at 30 mph due to engine vibration at greater speeds. I drove a very well balanced model 59R, like the one in the auction, and there seemed to be no top end in sight as it was smoooooth. One day I'll have my flywheel balanced. Overall, a very nice, easy car to drive. Well engineered in most respects and compared to its peers of the day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff V on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 05:38 pm:

Very nice car. Once again the desirability of an object is in direct proportion to its distance from me.

Not that I could afford it anyway, stupid kids expect to be fed every single day...


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