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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:27 pm:

Last week I stumbled into this.documentsMost of running gear is 23 ,but it appears to be an early 15 body. The fenders are wide,and aftermarket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:45 pm:

I like the Firestone wood fellow demountable wheels!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:49 pm:

Hap,this body has an H on the front kick panel. I haven't found any numbers yet. Who made it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:54 pm:

Jack,

Great find! Note the wood seat framed bodies were continued by some of the body makers longer than others of the body makers. Beaudett continued the wooden seat frame without the carriage bolt in front of the rear door at least through May 1915 (oldest one I can easily document at the moment). The wood supports on the back rest of the front seat look similar to the ones on a Beaudett cut off body I have stored. When you have a chance please look to see if there is a "B" or other letter on the front seat or rear seat heel panel and also a body number tag or body number stamped into the wooden front seat frame (often in front of gas tank filler) or on the right front floor board riser.

I like those the accessory demountable wheels. Someday I hope to have a set of those but I need to get the youngest out of college first.

It should make someone a very happy Model T owner. Congradulations!

Respectfully submitted,

Hap 1915 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 06:06 pm:

Jack,

The old you were typing while I was typing. Also the old “Star Wars” comment “That is not the "Beaudett" body I was hoping for.” But instead an "H" would stand for Herbert or Hayes. At this point I have not been able to establish what years Herbert supplied bodies and what years Hayes supplied bodies. Nor have I been able to tell which is which. We know from the original tags supplied with car # 148429, which was a 1914 touring that both of those body makers are listed on the inspection tag. We don’t know if one or both of them was dropped off in 1914 or 1915 or when. The tags are from the Vintage Ford May - Jun 1971. Note that the "H" may have stood for Herbert or possibly Hayes (although Hayes is only listed as an option on one and not both tags).





Again great find and thank you for listing the “H”. When the dust settles please send or post some photos of the “H” We may or may not be able to discover some difference between the “H” used by Herbert and the “H” used by Hayes. But I’m trying to see if there is a difference.

Again great find!

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Danuser on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 06:09 pm:

Jack w/wide fenders is a southern wide track front and rear end??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 06:24 pm:

Jack,

Mike Walker's 1915 with an "H" on the front seat heel panel also has the riveted front cowl section shown below:





(Please ignore that second 1915 headlight switch -- it was installed later to turn on the electrified rear tail light.)

And the “H” on the front seat heal panel of Mike’s 1915 is shown below:



Again thank you for looking. Someday – someone is going to add the last piece of the puzzle and we will say, “Why didn’t we figure that out sooner?”

Ref: John’s comment about the wide fenders could indicate a “wide track” T – that is ture. It is very easy to check – just measure center of the tire to center of the other tire. If its close to 56 inches it is standard tread and if it is close to 60 inches it is a wide track.

Again great find!

Respectfully submitted,

Hap 1915 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 06:35 pm:

Good goin' Unca' Jack!

Gator has a wide-track '15 Touring; you might ask him for pics of those fenders to compare.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 06:36 pm:

Thanks guys ,I'll keep looking. This old girl has some neat things on her. A flat V-shaped dash with a Stewart speedometer,Double hasslers front and rear,cut out pedal and some strange looking kick panel guards with step plates, Aluminum trim strips that were mounted on rear seat panel and a double tire spare holder,which I think was mounted on the rear. The guy who bought it started to tear in down for restoration and passed away. It has been setting all these years.I'll try to take some more pictures in next few days. The fenders look massive. It was close to Jack Putnam's place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam, Bluffton, Ohio on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 07:02 pm:

Uncle Jack, if you were that close I could have helped you load it. You could have shared the excitement. (grin) JP


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 08:03 pm:

We had six with his sons and all the help I brought. He had the skid steer,so it made things simple. To turn car ,we just slid it sideways on ice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 03:17 pm:

Hap,attached are two more pictures. One shows the body manufacture and one of the "Nickled" radiator.my pictures


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 03:19 pm:

other picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 07:15 pm:

Jack,

Thanks so much for posting the photo. The "H" appears to be in the same approximate location and style as Mike Walker's "H" on his car. Maybe slanted a bit clockwise. I'm looking forward to what else you discover.

A “Nickled” radiator -- it should cut down on the polishing! I wonder when and where that plating was done?

And as cold as it is there -- you could safely start the engine without the radiator attached. I started to say easily -- but with it that cold there .... it probably won't be as easy as if it was 70 degrees outside.

Ok – please don’t keep us in suspense – please let us know if it is a wide track (that is my guess – but I would rather have someone who can actually look at it tell us the real answer. Below is a “widetrack” photo from the Mar – Apr 1971 “Vintage Ford” page 31 used by permission.



I think the reversed spring perches combined with the double hasslers tend to mask the wider axle. But you will be able to confirm that by comparing to a normal axle or measuring the distance from the center of one front tire to the center of the other front tire.

Again great find and looking forward to what you discover about the car.

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 07:32 pm:

I don't think it is a wide track as I measured distance from center of spindle to front spring pearch hole and it is the same as regular axle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 08:18 pm:

Jack,

Thanks! And that measurement doesn't even have to be that close as they are two inches different so it would stand out easily. Thank you for checking.

And please keep us posted on what you discover. Such as the fenders -- are any of them Ford or any of them accessory?

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 03:48 pm:

Got a little time today and Mike Hagger was here ,so we looked for the body number. It is on the top front rail of front seat. Number 111694-2-15.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 08:31 pm:

Jack - I bought a set of demountable wheels exactly like those you pictured from Bud Scudder at Hershey in '09. I plan to restore them and use them on my '14 Touring. Mine don't have any name on them, The lugs have some numbers, and are not attached to the rims. The hub bolts are original and have a high crown head. They look about right for my '14.

We're in Florida now (for the Flywheelers event this weekend) so I can't give you the exact id numbers on the lugs.

Looks like you made a great purchase.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 08:47 pm:

Stop by on your way home and see it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 10:06 pm:

Jack,

Thank you for the body number! Rivetted cowl?

That will make a really touring!

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 10:17 pm:

Hap,yes it is. I will ,in time take some photos of interier wood as it is really different from the Beaudette bodies. I have one of those also.The wood has been replace in it,so no numbers.


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