1925 Model TT C Cab w/Warford transmission

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 01:53 pm:

I have a Warford in my TT that is a three possition gear box and the lower set of gears is missing some teeth on the center gear. I am looking for parts or ideas on how I can fix this problem.

Thank you for all your help in advance.

Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang - Brentwood Bay BC on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 02:14 pm:

I'm sure someone will be along shortly who knows the answer, but I'll say this much. Welcome to the T forum, and let's see some pictures of your truck!! There isn't much cooler than a TT, unless it's two TTs!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 02:32 pm:

It started to snow the day we brought the TT home. I do agre that two TT's is always better!

Having a little trouble posting pictures I will work on them later.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 03:57 pm:

Congratulations! Or, my sympathies, whichever.
The Warford, is it an iron case, or an aluminum case? I have never had an aluminum case Warford. But the cluster gear in the iron case can be taken apart, and single gears replaced from another parts tranny. Which gear is bad? And what is the condition of the rest of the transmission?
And, yes, please post pictures of your truck!
Drive carefully, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 05:58 pm:

It is an iron case and it is the low gear center of the cluster. It seams the rest of the tranny is in good shape. I was able to drive it before I started to take it a part. What a fun vehicle to drive!!!!!

The problem I am having is finding any warfords for parts :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adrian Whiteman, New Zealand on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 06:17 pm:

Welcome patrick, great to have another TT driver out there!

All the best and look forward to your pictures.

Adrian Whiteman
1926 TT Flat Deck


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:14 pm:

About ten years ago, I had an iron case Warford in my T race car. The Warford wasn't a really good one, but direct and overdrive were okay. Then one day, about a mile from home, it went crunch. I limped home, looked underneath and saw that part of the bottom of the case had split away.
I got lucky. Within a week, I found an incomplete parts-Warford for a fair price. It was a perfect match. What was good on one, was bad or missing on the other. I put together a very nice transmission for my car. That was when I found out how easy it was to swap the gears on the lower cluster gear. I've since sold that car (I wish I still had it). I still have the leftover junk thinking that maybe I can pick up another transmission to fix up. But every time I find a Warford that needs work, the seller (?) wants between three and five hundred dollars. A good one may be worth that. But a bad one just isn't. Besides, I've put together two good Jumbo Giants for for that kind of money.
I know the gear I have leftover is not very good. But I'll try to dig it out to see if it is usable at all.
Again, welcome!
Drive carefully, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 12:12 am:

That's great let me know what you find. Itmis the center gear on the lowest shaft.

Patrick

Medford Oregon
541-646-2565


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 12:11 pm:

First Day Home


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 12:12 pm:

Started to snow first day home


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 01:02 pm:

Patrick - Thank you for posting the pictures of your "new" TT. Any chance you could post a couple more? It sure looks nice. Congratulations!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eric flower on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 01:18 pm:

Patrick ...Thats a nice looking TT there...and yes more pic's please


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 03:27 pm:

This my '25 C cab with flatbed and without upper cab portion. It has a 3 speed Warford and Ruckstell. Unfortunately it is a farm truck and is not so sanitary. I am interested in knowing what the correct backrest seating is...I suspect mine is overdone. Perhaps yours has the correct/original design.
Thanks,
John McGinnisT truck


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 04:17 pm:

John and Patrick - John, your question on the C Cab seats brings up the question: Did the C Cabs have a single seat unit on the bottom, or were there two bottom seats (half and half)? It sure would be nice to know what's correct.

Thanks, Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Miller, Sequim WA on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 05:30 pm:

Good Question Keith, as to the C-cab Bottom cushion I have a partial answer. The 1926 and 1927 Open Cab was definitely a single cushion style. I am waiting for some more information that I have requested from Ford Benson Archives, but at this point it seems that the 1923 and 24 had two lower cushions and 1925 up had one. I'll know more when they get back to me..

John: the rear cushion that you show is what I am familiar with as the correct style for your truck. The rear cushion does start at the top of the bottom cushion and goes just past the horizontal metal strip that is fastened to the rear of the cab.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang - Brentwood Bay BC on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 05:38 pm:

Wow! Nice truck Patrick!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 08:44 pm:

Thanks all,
I guess I would like to see what Patrick's C-Cab has for seats.
Thanks,
John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ron paetz on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 10:24 pm:

Patrick if you still need the gear email me I have lots of parts for warfords thanks Ron lonepine@mwt.net


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 10:33 pm:

Fred - Thanks for the info on the seats. I'll look forward to any additional info you can find on the them. By the way, I thought C Cabs back seat cushion was only something like a half cushion in height and mounted about 8" or so higher than the bottom cushion(s), quite different than John McGinnis' truck shown above. Any thoughts on that?

Thanks, Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 08:55 am:

Thanks Keith,
Those are my thoughts too...the seat back is too much. But I am still looking for a photo or info on what the seat back should be.
Appreciate the comments.
John McGinnis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 11:07 pm:

Okay. I just dug out my junker Warford. As I feared and remembered, it was the middle underdrive gear that was/is the worst. All teeth are worn about one-third gone from someone ages ago grinding the gear when they downshifted. Two teeth have damage all the way across the running face.
Now, it could be made to work by turning the gear around backwards. Not easy, but doable. The gear is made to go in only one way, with the gear right against the larger gear next to it. It has a spacer made onto the gear that would have to be cut off (best if done on a lathe). Then a spacer would have to be made to replace it on the cluster-core for all the gears to line up. Or, if you could cut it off straight enough with a hack saw, just a sheet metal washer would work to replace the saw cut.
It would be a bit of a project. But it would put the best parts of my gear against the best parts of your gear.
Or, if your upper slider isn't too badly worn, my gear would likely be runnable, just not really good.
The good news, in either case, is that TTs rarely need to use underdrive these days. If the direct and overdrive are good, it could be well worth it for you to fix this up.
I would be happy to mail you this gear if you would like it. If you would like it (such as it is), send me your address. The last person that wanted a transmission part never gave me their address, in spite of my asking for it three times. I can't mail something without an address to send it to.
Before deciding, check your slider to make sure it isn't badly damaged also. Mine is worn due to the bad downshifting, but I could send it also.
That looks like a really nice truck. How much do you plan to do to it before you drive it again? I see it raining in your photos. How much rain have you had up there this year? We just passed 65 inches, and it is raining outside right now!
Drive carefully, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 - 03:20 pm:

My TT came with two sets of seats and the backs are tall just like the one in John McGinnis TT.

I am still in need of parts for the Warford Transmission.

It is out of the truck and apart in a box in the garage. Every thing looks great except for the center gear on the lower shaft.

There has got to be some one out there that has some good parts. There has been one offer for a complete transmission but i cant afford a complete at this time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 08:49 pm:

So I found a guy that can make the gears from scratch in Oregon and get them to the correct hardness. If I have him make one gear it will cost about 450.00. If there is an interest in the gear that seams to be the problem he said that the price will go down quite a bit. The more he makes the better the price.
If you are interested in this let me know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick A Peets Medford Oregon on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 06:45 pm:

News from the Warford front. Jim Weir was nice enough to ship me a Warford that is going to work. Well mostly. I had to gut Jims and build mine because they are just differant enough I couldn't just bolt it in the truck.

All is now well with the TT and should be able to drive it this afternoon.

I will be posting some pitures later today of the installed transmission.

Thank you Jim for all your help in educating a new TT owner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Lovejoy on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 01:53 am:

Right on Jim! well done!


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