Does anyone have any info on mounting a flat belt pulley (power take off)to a rear wood spoke wheel? Any pictures? drawings? I would love to find one but I will probably have to fabricate.

Mr. Mullis, I will do some checking in my materials, meanwhile.... even though this is a Model A you can check out the first part of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vd9QdIZxNA

Last year on the Graested Steam Fair I demonstrated the Ellehammer fire pump with my T:

and as you can see a pretty impressive result:

That is one cool piece of equipment Michael!

Like this?

PTO on a front wheel, Vern?

Just keep in mind that these types of setups really give the differential a workout.

Robert, I see you have the pony engine belted up for a start!

This is the one I have and it is not hard on the differential.

Here is 1 that a member of the local T club gave me a few years ago.I cant remember for the life of me who.My mind is like a fog on names.
But whatever the red stuff was that the belt rode on,is now a black gooey mess that EVERYTHING sticks to.Before I could photo with the mavica I had to unstick 2 chainsaw chains from it.

if you look in my frist post there is one of the rear wheel pulleys next to my rear wheel. I have never used it. just had it with to show anoyher way this could have been done. Bob

Awesome guys, we are planning on making Lizzy work for her keep. The plan is to power 4-6 ice creame churns. I think Liz will be far more impressive churning ice cream than the hit and mis engine set ups I've seen. We hope for a unique way to promote the Model T to the next generation.

Anybody know of any pulleys for sale?

Not specifically, but yes in general. I've been buying pulleys dirt cheap when they turn up at auctions. They appear quite often at farm sales. I intend to make a setup like Bob's. I have a wheel-mount pulley which looks like it was made of a pair of large brake drums, but it will be just for display. In addition to the differential wear, I don't think clamping it on would make the spokes any prettier.

Michael Deichmann, the pump set up is very impressive. Do you have any problems getting the belt to track properly?

Bob your set up is awesome. I would love to find a set up like that. It looks as though it wouldn't be too difficult to replicate with the proper pulleys/drive wheels. Im friends with a extremely talented blacksmith so building one that would look period correct is within reach. What is the diameters of the different pulleys on your rig?

I think I'll start another thread asking for pictures of Ts powering other machinery.

Hi, Mr. Ronning. Yours is just the kind of set-up I've been looking for. Do you know of one that might be available? I saw one at the Model T Museum and it flung a craving on me. Also, would you please post a few more pictures in case I decide to build one? Thank you. Happy T'ing. Bob

Michael,

So, what flavor will all that ice cream be? Chocolate & oil with lumps of grease? Or perhaps essence of exhaust? Yuk, yuk!

It does sound like fun, but I think I'd use a long belt to be sure the finished product doesn't taste like a T! As much as I love T's, it's not their taste I find pleasing.

Have FUN!!!

If you just had a T engine power unit, I have 1 homemade PTO pulley that goes where the U-Joint goes, also a factory one 100.00 for the homemade one, 150.00 for the factory one, a buddy of mine has a front mount pulley setup that attaches to the front axle w/its own front pan set-up it powers from the T crankshaft his unit is for sale its all here except the pulley wheel, and the coupling, but I have a drawing of the adapter w/measurements, it hooks the front pulley bolt, and the crank hooks the other end, w/ a small spring into the end of the crank, it (the starting) crank disengages 400.00 all plus UPS danuser88@socket.net

The pulleys are all about 10 inch. you could use something else in the center for the drive. I did a post on this set up last fall. look here
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/160479.html?1284678774#POST269758

Robert, thank you!
I thought that I was the only person on the planet that uses the term "flung a craving on".

Being a proud southerner, I am extremely self conscience of how others perceive our Southern predication. I therefore feel it is my duty to offer what is possibly an inconsequential alteration to your use of the southern dialect. So as not to confuse any who are geographically challenged, I sense the need to modify your use of the phrase to its proper grammatical tense. Noting that the epiphany of your desire was of a previous nature, I do trust that you will agree that the apposite vernacular whereby to eloquently articulate your original aspiration should be as follows:
“ I seen one at the Model T Museum and it done flung a craving on me.”

Please accept my suggestion with the empathy with which it was predestined.



Seriously Robert,
If you find any plans/blueprints or extra parts for building one, I would be interested in buying a copy from you. The only thing that I have in the way of parts is a couple of babbit pillow block bearings for a 1” shaft. If I build one I plan to use frame rivets to assemble the structure with hidden welding

John
If possible please post a pic of the drawing for the front mount unit so that I can visualize. I may be interested.
thanks

You right, Michael. I seen one'a them thangs at the museum like I sed, and it done plumb flung a craving all over me. Hows 'at? I want y'all to understand I don't hardly never use no double negatives nor positives unless I cain't think of nary triple.

Michael, here is a shot of an example of a front mounted unit called the E-Z power. Probably similar to what Mr. Danuser was describing but it mounts to the frame crossmember instead of the axle. These are fairly common at farm sales but the coupler is rarely found with them. The second photo is of an original coupler... very easy to machine a repro.

Well said Robert.

If anybody doesn't understand just ask them "what part of y'all don't you understand?"

Donald,
I lust after that tractor! Why must y'all tempt me so? If I had a tractor conversion and some sort of mowing attachment, perhaps my grass cutting frequency would be to my neighbor's liking.

Mr. Ronning, if you get a chance sometime could you snap a pic of your two wheel drive unit when it is not under the car. I'm specifically interested in the upper portion of the assembly that actually contacts the axle housing on either side. Also, when setting up your unit do you just roll it under the axle and then set it down horizontal to lift the rear wheels slightly or do you need to jack up the rear end and slide it under, then let it down? Thanks for posting those pics..... sweet unit actually doing something. Always a crowd pleaser!

I bought one of the E-Z power take off units like the one in Donalds picture. Got it at Chickasha from John Danuser. Seems to be a well designed outfit. It's going on the front of my TT and now I just need one of those jack shaft arrangements for the rear. Bob

Donald thanks for the photo as I'm not smart enough to put photos on here or drawings, Bob Hester got my unit, and the unit I have is identical w/ a drawing of the pc between the crank of the T engine and the crank of the PTO it belongs to a very close friend it is a E-Z power

Donald thanks for the photo as I'm not smart enough to put photos on here or drawings, Bob Hester got my unit, and the unit I have is identical w/ a drawing of the pc between the crank of the T engine and the crank of the PTO it belongs to a very close friend it is a E-Z power

To put this setup under the car you start with it upright then push under the T untill the top castings are under the rear end, pushing down at the same time as the jack get under the rear end push down all the way and it will jack the car up and on the jack shaft.

Edward,
I don't think the wheel and pulley came together as an assembly. The guy who has it is quite a character. He took a pool house and turned it into a gas station for his backyard.
Verne

That's a bit of mixing of the eras, with that 1930 Phillips sign, but it's a neat setup.

Bob, thank you for posting those additional pictures. I now think that I can build one of these if I decide to. It's a mighty neat accessory. Bob

Yes, thanks for posting those pics and explaining the set-up Mr. Ronning. That's really slick!!!

Michael, your plans for making homemade ice cream just sounds SO much better than grinding corn. The forum members shared some great pics and suggestions. It is amazing just what is out there that people used during the era with their Model T's.

At er little ol' tractor done flung a mighty cravin all over me. I'm fixing to have one of those someday.

There was one of those that sold at an auction here several years ago. At the time I wasn't that interested but I've sure kicked myself a few times since that I didn't bid on it.

Here is a good set up - Looks like its running a bit hot. Two Belts

Here is a link to my 23 roadster running a corn sheller http://youtu.be/4emWk2W17_o

I think that's the first silo I've seen made with horizontal boards. The usual construction is vertical boards held together with steel rods, like bands on a barrel. When my grandfather, an old 19th century farmer, built this new house after the old one burned in 1917, he used whatever was free or cheap. So the ceiling here in the living room is made of silo boards. I can look up and see the indentations from the rods.

I grew up on a farm with a silo similar to that one. I know of 3 silos that are of the same brand/construction. These silos were built with the standard vertical wood staves that you mentioned, Steve, but rather than hoops, the staves were bound by cedar strips about 4" wide. These were soaked in a tank of water, then wrapped around the silo and nailed into the staves. Where the cedar strips butted up against each other, a steel (about 18 ga.) plate embossed with the patent information was nailed to join the butts together. Gave it a more finished appearance than the silo above.

After my folks sold the place, the barn and silo burned down due to vandalism. The silo acted as a big forced draft and burned so hot that the tile walls of the barn crumbled. I saved one of the patent plates as a souvenir but Mom went through my stuff when I left home and threw it away. One of these days, I'm going to go to one of these silos that I know of and get a rubbing of the patent plates and look up the patent.

I just stumpled over this on Youtube, where Ellehammer himself demonstrates the fire pump - both the type I tried out on the Greasted Steam fair as well as one using both rearwheels and pulling a larger pump:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suJ81Z9xc4o&feature=related

Sorry that the texts are in Danish - globalisation was not that common back then....

Feel free to search for other Ellehammer film on Youtube - shows a lot of ingeniuity :-)

Note that it is the same roadster as on the era B/W pictures I have shown before of the pump (in the 2010 forum). I believe it is Ellehammers own Ford.