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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter white on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 04:32 am:

Hi I am a member I Australa and would like to know if yo could give me some help, I am planing on buiding a straight eight model T and would like some advice so I don,t have to re event the wheel, if you know what I mean, I have building and fixing t models now for over 30 years and would like to do something different.
Thanks
Peter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 04:47 am:

Peter,

Contact Austin Gratton in Mesa Arizona. He was on the organising committee for the Annual meeting of the MTFCA in Mesa in 2010. At the meeting was a straight 8 model T speedster. He should be able to put you in touch with the owner.

Allan from down under


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 09:55 am:

This one uses sprocets welded to the crankshafts and Morse chain to tie the sprocets together. An electric water pump was needed on the rear engine. A single carb is used. The car is in Wichita, Kansas.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB-Toms River N.J. on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:03 am:

I guess it's OK but I wouldn't have believed one carb would be enough. "A man with a hobby that needs another hobby".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:12 am:

Wonder why it has a Ricardo head up front and what appears to be a regular Ford head in the rear?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:25 am:

With already to many members in the two piece crank club, I see some severe torsional stress issues here. I just don't think one would be able to use much of that extra power for very long, and if anything, the more powerful head should be on the rear engine.
My $0.02 worth.
Roar


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 10:56 am:

I agree with Roar, you could spend a bunch of time and money on it and run it lightly once just to day you did. Then park it and wonder why you did it. Not a practicable thing. Maybe it you want a straight eight, just buy an engine with the transmission and rear end that will be needed for the added power.

Or better yet just buy a car that was made that way. Eight cylinder Hupmobile maybe??
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary London, Camarillo CA on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 11:33 am:

Peter; Sounds like a fun way to pass some time. Please post pics as it proceeds if you do this!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 11:39 am:

A friend of mine has a straight 8 speedster,uses a mustang v8 distributar and such,I am thinking it has dual carbs.Heath Hahn has it and has been working on t's since the 50's.he says this thing scares the daylights out of him with the power it has.I need to get some photos of that thing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Danuser on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 01:36 pm:

The owner runs it hard, even up timed events at the speedster functions at Smith 's Speedway he'll probrably have it there in June again


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 01:38 pm:

It is not the number of carburetors that is important, it is the ability to tune the engine and the quality of the mixture that made him switch from two carburetors to one.

The one gallon plastic lawn mower gas tank on the firewall tells you about how much time you want to spend behind the wheel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 07:51 pm:

This sort of thing has been played around with for years. I have heard rumors of several people trying it, but never seen one. I have read of a couple built back in the twenties. If this worked well, I am surprised more of them aren't around.
Royce, thank you for posting those pictures. I had been wanting to see more of it.
I, too, had been wondering how a pair of T cranks would hold up that way. After all, they didn't have A cranks to put in them way back when. Of course, there were a few other options.
Peter, yes, we would love to be kept in the loop on your project. (Especially me)
Drive safe, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 09:33 pm:

Nope,In mho i think one would have to have been related to Primitave Pete to weld sprokets to the crankshafts instead of using Morse Taper Lock bushings?? Also pictured is Not a Morse chain,rather than it's only a double Roller Chain!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 11:31 pm:

Fellows,

We have a double roller chain hook-up like that on our grain auger between the gearbox and the drive shaft. Such linkages are a little agricultural but they work well where getting precise alignment is difficult. Linking two T crankshafts this way in such a project makes a lot of sense, given the difficulty aligning them and the considerable flexing in the T chassis.

Allan fromdown under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 12:34 am:

At the rpm's a T engine runs and the use i would think the old time Dodge rubber tire coupling would have done much better?? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick McKay on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 09:35 am:

Has anyone ever tried to make a V8 out of two T blocks?

Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 09:55 am:

BMW had twin 6's to make a V12.. I think it was in the 850 --


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William E. Harris on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 06:28 pm:

Rick Many years ago we visited the Ford Museum. Somewhere in there I found a v 8 engine made from two Model T engines. As I recall it was aftermarket--not made by the Ford Company. I may have a picture of it somewhere. Has anybody seen such an engine?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 07:00 pm:

Glen Chaffin has one. Ask him who cast the block.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Luke Dahlinger on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 07:52 pm:

July-August 1976 issue of Vintage Ford has a nice article on a V8 made from 2 T blocks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 08:39 pm:

T V8


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 08:41 pm:

T V8


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CoreyWalker, Brownsboro, Texas on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 11:10 pm:

I remember about 17 years ago Snyders had a pic of a Model T V8 in their catalog I believe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert G. Hester Jr. on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 03:40 am:

Snyders' has one of the V8 Model T engines in their showroom. Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Faccin - Crystal Falls, Michigan on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 08:41 am:

It doesn't look to me like there are many model T parts on that V8.

John


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