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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2011: McPherson C.A.R.S. Car Show Photos
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 11:27 am:

Hello All,
Yesterday my daughter and I attended the McPherson College C.A.R.S. Car Show on the campus with our '15 T Runabout. C.A.R.S. = College Automotive Restoration Students. It is a student led club open to any McPherson student interestted in antique and collector cars. They are the ones who plan the show. Here's a few photos of some of the cars...

A line up of T's starting with a 1916 Touring. There were five T's in this row with a couple of Buicks scattered in.


Frequent poster Chris Paulsen's dad with his 1910 T.


Chris P. also had his '10 T and family there.


A featured car, owned by Ted Davis, was this recreation of the 1903 Packard "Grey Wolf" Race Car. The car was built using original drawings from the Packard factory obtained in the 50's by designer Dick Teague. It has 275 cu. in. and the original HP was 25.




The Marshall's '16 Touring and the Shirk's '15 Runabout. We drove up the short 50 miles from Wichita, much to the amazement of a lot of people. One of these people asked my daughter if our cars were "street legal"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald = Federa Way, Wa. on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 11:51 am:

Verne
GREAT post thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana USA on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 12:01 pm:

Hey Vern, wish I'd have been there. That Packard is amazing. I can't fathom what it must have cost to reproduce it but I'm glad somebody did. That is about as cool as anything I've ever seen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang - Brentwood Bay BC on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 01:25 pm:

So, that Packard is something else. I see that the "radiator" runs down the length of the car, wow! Now, just in front of what I assume is the fuel tank, are a bunch of glass tubes with brass ends and what look like knobs on the top. What are those for?

These sure are great photos, looks like perfect weather too. Thanks for taking the time to post them for us to see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 02:35 pm:

The glass tubes might be for chassis oilers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Rademacher, Parkerfield Ks 26 on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 02:39 pm:

Mc is not too far for us to travel to a good car show so if you think about it give us a heads up next year and I would love to make the trip up there for the show. Buy the way nice pics. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 03:02 pm:

Looks like fun Verne!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana USA on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 03:59 pm:

That box with the glass tubes above it would be an oiler. If you look, there are tubes going in to the main bearings. It is a total loss system. The tank is probably an oil tank to feed it. You can also see the oiler drive in front of the box.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker - Sumter, SC on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 04:08 pm:

Christopher,

Bottom Line Up Front: The square tank with the class sight feeds is a “mechanical oiler” driven by the belt from the rear of the camshaft to provide oil drips for the engine. (Stan is not only correct but he types faster).

Additional background:

Most of the early automobiles did not have an internal oil pump but had some method of delivering oil to the bearings and/or crankcase. The early engines burned a lot of oil by today’s standards and they leaked a lot of oil because they didn’t really have seals and/or effect oil seals yet.

One method was just gravity feed. Another method used by the 1903-1905 two cylinder Fords was to use pressure from the crankcase to pressurize an oiler.

The 1906-1908 Model N Fords used the pressure from the exhaust manifold to pressurize an oiler (called a Force Feed Oiler by Ford). It had two lines that fed oil drops to the universal ball cap (rear transmission bearing) and the engine crankcase (ref page 13 of “How to Run the “FORD” Models “N” and “R”). See also Trent's website at: http://oz.plymouth.edu/~trentb/ModelT/N662/Engine.html and also http://oz.plymouth.edu/~trentb/ModelT/N662/Transmission.html which shows the oil tube going to what Trent refers to as the rear transmission bearing.

Below are the instructions for adjusting the oil flow from the “Force Feed” oiler from the “How to Run the “Ford” Models “N” and “R”” which is included on the CD that comes with Carlton’s book “Pate’s Early Ford Automobile Encyclopedia” a great reference and wealth of information available from several sources including the author at: http://www.earlyfordcars.info/ :




The 1907 McCord Mechanical Oiler, was used on the 1907 Model R Runabout and the Model S Runabouts that were produced in 1907. It had three feeds. On page 48 of the 1908 Price List and Parts and Instruction Book (attached) under "to adjust oiler" it states, "Not knowing the individual characteristics of each driver, it is impossible to say just how many drops of oil should feed to the engine base but 30 to 40 drops per minute, when engine is running at moderate speed, is about right. One or two a minute for front bearing and universal joint will be ample." That is with the mechanical oiler and implies the feeds for the 1907 as well as the 1908 McCord mechanical oilers went to the front [main] bearing, universal joint [rear transmission bearing], and the engine crankcase.

Below is a picture of the 1907 style McCord (wrong cap).



From the 1907 Price List of parts is page 45 and page 47 showing the McCord Mechanical oiler used on the 1907 Model R and Model S Fords.





The 1908 McCord Mechanical Oiler was used on the 1908 Model S and SR and was similar to the 1907 version and fit in the same location. Both were driven by a spring belt (looks like the old time screen door spring) driven by a pulley on the camshaft.

And if you look at some of the tubes from the 1903 replica you can see they are going to the bearings on the open exposed camshaft. They probably go to the crankcase also --- but that is not clearly shown or at least I could not tell where the other oil lines go to.



Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana USA on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 04:15 pm:

Yeah, I meant to type cam bearings, not main bearings. Poofreed, prufede, pruuffreid, pooferread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 04:58 pm:

Dave, if we have our cars in shape for it, maybe next year a bunch of us can make a weekend Model T tour to the show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 06:09 pm:

Here's some more pictures of the Packard and this is what the story along with the car said...

"This car was built using the original blue prints for the car obtained from the Packard Factory in the 50's by designer Dick Teague. Designed by Charles Schimidt in 1902, along with the Pakcard Model K, which uses the same engine, it is Packard's first attempt at a 4 cylinder car. It is 275 cubic inces and the original horsepoower rating was 25.

On Autust 28th, 1903, at the Trumbull County Fairgrounds in Warren Ohio, Packard introduced its "K Special" race car to the public with much fanfare. Charles Schmidt completed 10 laps around the half mile track and his best time for a one mile stretch was an impressive 1:16. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter covering the exhibition referred to the Packard "K Special" as the "Gray Wolf" and the nick-name stuck. On September 19, 1903 at Providence, Rhode Island, the Gray Wolf won its first race, a five mile in which a number of cars competed, most notably W.K. Vanderbilt's 40 HP Mercedes. Not only was the Gray Wolf much lighter and very streamlined for the day, it also had a full belly pan that further reduced wind resistance.

On January 3, 1904 Schmidt drove the Gray Wolf on Ormand Beach to a new Five-Mile land speed record of 4:43.8 (68.8 MPH), breaking the old record held by Winton's Bullet No. 3. On January 2, 1904 the Gray Wolf set a new one mile record of 50.4 and on January 3, 1904 the Gray Wolf improved its one mile record to 46.4 (77.58 MPH)."












Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 07:13 am:

Man, that is one desirable motor car. I am not a Packhard fiend at all, but that is lovely and I would be proud to have that in my shed. A credit to the restorer of such a good looking vehicle. Thank you very much for the photos from "Down Under"...Dave C.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 07:35 am:

A truely beautiful car, one thing I noticed, bolt on heads, I thought Mr Ford had that claim of the first bolt on head for the T?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Lang - Brentwood Bay BC on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 09:32 am:

Ahh! I get it now. That makes sense, I remember last year a fellow posted a video of a 190? Maxwell, and it had a total loss system

Thanks for the further information Stan, the further pictures Verne, and the total picture Hap, with charts, diagrams and 27 8x10 colour glossy photographs! This is exactly why I come to the T forum every morning, there is always something interesting, and something to learn. Thanks guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Ohio on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 11:21 am:

That Packard is amazing!

But the question is will he run it on a period correct dirt/ mud race track?...lol

Thanks for sharing all the great photos.


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