T touring in accident

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 08:55 pm:

Anyone know the owner of this '26 touring?

Post made on Fordbarn, but very little info other than the driver is ok. Has AZ plate on the front.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 08:58 pm:

I hate to see that, sure hope all the people are O.K.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:07 pm:

That car could be from anywhere. The plate was one which was given to all the participatants in the Canyonlands tour a couple of years ago. I hope the persons were not injured. Someone who still has the tour book from that tour would find their name under #142. That car might be salvageable. Needs some parts replaced or straightened.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:11 pm:

Norm is right. There are three cars on the Show-Me Tour with that plate, including mine. If I were home, I'd see if I could find the tour book and identify the owner. If no one has done so by tomorrow afternoon, I'll give it a shot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:18 pm:

Is that what happens when you are going down a hill too fast and have to make a sharp right turn?

Hope no one was hurt. Cars can be fixed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roy Stone Poca, WV on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:23 pm:

My tour book shows that number was assigned to Darrell Pitts of WA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:23 pm:

Dave

The only posted info was ...'t-boned at an intersection' ... by a modern.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry A.Woods on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:24 pm:

Looks like a good parts vehcle to me, unless it has sentimental value to owner. That's why I'm adding hydralic brakes to my fordor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:37 pm:

Windshield not broken is a good sign.

Speaking of: the guy who replaced the hail busted windshield on my Windstar demonstrated how much easier it is to break a windshield from the inside than from the outside. Hmm, I wonder if mine in the T is the right way round? Maybe you would know by the i.d. on it?

Regardless, my seatbelts should prevent hitting it.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:43 pm:

If it was T-boned, hydraulic brakes wouldn't have made a difference.
I prefer good mechanical brakes. When I park my car, the mechanical brakes will be in the same condition when I take it out as they were when I parked it.
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:44 pm:

I got T boned in my T at an intersection, and no amount of brakes would have helped. The guy just shot out and got me. You could kill cars all day by shooting out and getting them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Faccin - Crystal Falls, Michigan on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:46 pm:

Well that car looks to be a relatively easy fix to me compared to some of the cars I see being restored. JMO

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Peterson on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:53 pm:

if its a T-bone, looks like hes the one that hit the other car to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By charles kenneth gibbard on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:57 pm:

It's obviously the T's fault,they are just not fast enough to get out of the way.Didn't he know people texting have the right of way. Anyway
it will buff out. And its so old it cant be worth
very much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nevin Gough on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 09:57 pm:

Yes John, Bent T's can look bad, but can be fixed without too many hassles. It's the people that matter!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 10:00 pm:

I almost got it yesterday. I was slowing down to make a left turn and I had my arm out for a left turn signal. Apparently the pickup behind me thought I put my arm out to wave him around and he passed me on the left. I saw him and did not actually start the turn, but it was a scare.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue WA on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 10:02 pm:

At our club meeting today, I heard that Darrell is stiff but otherwise OK. He's owned the car for over 40 years and was not pleased. A modern car pulled out from side street directly in front of him. The stop sign and looking left before pulling out apparently didn't mean anything to the driver of the modern car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Faccin - Crystal Falls, Michigan on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 10:06 pm:

Nevin, I didn't mean any disrespect to the people in the T. I hope they are okay. I was just commenting on the car.

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 10:27 pm:

car is fixable,if the insurance company will treat him fair and he can get started on it soon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew K. Deckman on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 10:51 pm:

Cant say the T was speeding!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dena & Dennis Gorder, Baraboo, WI on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 11:08 pm:

We are glad everyone is OK. Cars can always be replaced, people can't.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew K. Deckman on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 11:24 pm:

Do you experts realy think its totaled? May I ask why?

To me it looks like new fenders, axle, radiator core, head lights, wish bone, other steering and suspention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Faccin - Crystal Falls, Michigan on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 11:28 pm:

I'm with you Andrew. Looks like an easy fix.

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve pitts on Saturday, May 21, 2011 - 11:53 pm:

The car is my fathers and he is OK.Hit a Toy Camry in the right rear straight on and spun them both a full 90 degrees.Frame is twisted, pan bent and most of the rest you can see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 12:07 am:

I am not so sure about an easy fix. The frame, front cross member and engine pan and wire wheels are sure to be bent. What happened to the steering components? Would you bet your life on that pitman arm or drag link? When you add that to the cost of the 26-7 front fenders and other parts it will be expensive.

Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Faccin - Crystal Falls, Michigan on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 12:16 am:

Paul,

There is a T parts seller on ebay and he is a member here too who would sell you every part to fix that car and probably has all the parts available now to fix it. He is very reasonable on his opening bids. I would think he would sell you the parts too if asked. JMO

I'm not related to the seller, but I do buy from him. :-)

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Sutherland on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 12:38 am:

Sad sight-that car looks like a true victim-I don't get the same feeling for crunched Hyundais...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 12:40 am:

John,

You are right that you could buy every part needed to repair that car. Heck I would buy that car for salvage, repair it and I would not have to buy any parts other than the fenders. My point is that there is damage beyond what we see from the photos and I would not feel good about driving it unless most everything from the firewall forward was replaced with known good parts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 02:33 am:

Very repairable! I am just glad the people are okay.
I would repair those fenders. The wishbone, front axle, pan should all be replaced. Many parts need to be checked very closely or replaced. Too many antique automobiles are disappearing as it is between hot-rodders and those that part-'em-out-for-profit.
Even in a modern car, sometimes there is nothing you can do to prevent an accident (?) when someone jumps out in front of you.
Always, drive carefully, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 02:40 am:

There is apparently a recognition factor. A T can look so out of the ordinary as to not register in a person's mind that it's a vehicle approaching. It's easy to overlook a motorcycle for the same reason.

Or so I've heard..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Peterson on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 08:23 am:

be a lot easier to buy different fenders than repair those mangled things, and a lot cheaper, dont beleive u could ever get those to fit correct again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kriegel on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 08:25 am:

I am just glad everyone is OK Did the owners have seat belts,? Any hints on what to do moments before you hit? Besides brake hard? In the planes I fly, hitting the yoke (steering wheel old style fixed) is a serious cause of chest injury


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 11:43 pm:

About twenty years ago, a close friend of mine had a fairly minor collision in his T speedster. He said he was only doing about 20mph. The steering wheel nearly killed him. A few broken ribs hurt for a long time. That being said, and knowing that, I would no more want to put seat-belts in a T speedster than I would a motorcycle. Stock-bodied Ts are a little safer. The steering column angle is such that it will bend up rather than press straight into your chest. One thing for sure, If you want to optimize your safety, model Ts are not for you. But if you want to make the most out of life without jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. Model Ts are a pretty good thing. And I like them how they were 80+ years ago.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 09:21 am:

Steve,

It is good to hear that everyone is OK!

I hope the T can be repaired!

FRED


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, CO on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 10:34 am:

Steve Pitts:

I would think that the guys insurance would take care off all expenses. However if not I would donate a good frame, front axle, drag Link, Tie rod, pan, radius rods, if you have some way to get them from Colorado to Washigton. I think I am out of lenses. If insurance takes care of the expenses I am sure FORD-N-MOORE ( Tom Carnegie ) in Spokane would have any thing you might need. Their prices are right and they may have the most T knowledge of any one in Washington State.
The guys insurance should also take car of the labor of repairing the car and I think that maybe fORD-N-MOORE also does repiar work.
I was hit from behind by another T that had his Ruckstell go into neutral and caused damage. The guys insurance took care of the damage and a new paint job. I didn't have to lay out a penny.
Picture after repair of damage.
A905


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 05:22 pm:

I don't know about the fenders....I know a gent who put a pair of fenders on a 25 truck and when they were shipped to him, they were completely FLAT. He restored them to what they originally looked like, and if you weren't told they came flat you would never know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep NZ on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 09:48 pm:

i am pretty sure with a little talent that car could be fixed without needing many parts at all. My fenders were worse than that


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Rademacher, Parkerfield Ks 26 on Monday, May 23, 2011 - 11:14 pm:

Driving a T is like riding a motorcycle, just because you have the right of way does not mean that they will stop at the stop sign. Just drive like they don’t see you. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve pitts on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 10:59 am:

Thank you for the offer Dave. We have 50 years of collected parts and 7 other T's so it won't be a huge problem to put the runabout back on the road.
It's just kinda sad, this body had never been off the frame.We got it local in 1969 and I learned to drive on it when I was 8 years old.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 04:29 pm:

Steve,keep us posted on how the repairs go and such.I would be interested to see the chassis for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Given - St. Paul, MN on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 07:03 pm:

It is always sad to see an old car wrecked. My former neighbor a few years back got in a wreck with his 37 Ford, he was pushed off the road by an unlicensed driver, who did have insurance. The guys insurance company went out to the big car show that (back to the 50's). Looked at the car and gave him basically a blank check. The adjuster did not have a clue where to start. George has all the skills and knowledge to put it back together. Instead he found a auto shop that specialized in classic cars and had him do all the work. It cost George absolutely nothing and the car was put back together way faster than he could ever do it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 - 01:48 am:

Most people on here will remember that (was it only one or has it already been two) just over one year ago, a 1912 T touring was hit by a big-rig outside of Salinas CA. The car was totaled. Paid for in full by the insurance co. The owner/driver of the touring and his wife/passenger fortunately survived with relatively minor injuries. They gave the remains of the car to the one person that they KNEW would truly restore the car. The only parts admitted to being replaced were the rear wheels. Rumor has it, that even the tail-lamp (flattened) and the hood (run over by about 50 cars) were restored. a very close friend of mine did some of the painting on the car. He first told me that Tony was going to use the hood, but would not save the lamp. But every time he went over there, he said the lamp was sitting on a table, more and more straightened out.
Tony is amazing. Your car would be a "piece of cake" by comparison (I've seen close-up photos of the '12).
And please, I love happy endings. Keep us posted on repairs. I would imagine that the frame is bent. But I have straightened several bent frames. Those fenders, I fixed worse, and I am not that good.
Enjoy, and try to drive safely, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve pitts on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 04:53 pm:

The insurance industry has some strange ways of doing business. Car was declared totaled and then to set salvage buyback value your car is put up for auction with sealed bidding.It seems like a system that could be easily manipulated in their favor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 07:09 pm:

It depends on what insurance company you, and sometimes the other, have. It also varies from state to state. Many times, a person can buy back their car for a very reasonable price. Sometimes that "sealed bid" just plain gets in the way. I think, if they have to do a sealed bid, which I do understand. The owner of the vehicle should NOT have to place any bid. But should be able to buy the car for $100. over the highest bid. That protects the regulated insurance company in attempting to recover as much of their losses as they can without cheating the victim of an accident by forcing him to bid to keep what is/was rightfully his.
Thank you for the update. Good luck.
W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money, Braidwood, IL on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 11:34 pm:

Also, remember that if a car is totaled and the insurance company buys it from you, it is no longer yours. You have "sold" it to the insurance company for the claim to be paid. If you want to "buy" it back, then you should pay what the salvage comapnies pay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 10:39 am:

Thirty years ago, my insurance company said they didn't know what to do or say, as I had $3,900 in estimated damages and $2,500 in collision coverage. I told them that I would make them a deal they could not refuse - send me the $2,500 check and let me keep the vehicle. The check arrived three days later. I sold it for junk for $400 more and was happy I had no health issues.

I still have insurance with that company and my rates have never been increased, except for additional collision coverage.

The vehicle had actually fallen off the trailer after both had rolled over. The vehicle rolled once, the trailer 2 and 1/2 times. I lost another $1,800 on the trailer though. The recent heavy rain had washed the road edge away to a depth of 13 inches - evidently a bad luck number. At 30 mph, the trailer was totally out of control and it was a tail wagging the dog scenario. I do know a lot more about trailer towing now.


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