I just got this car titled as a 1912 please look at the pictures
The engine is number 22028
The engine hood is not 1912 looks like 1915-16?
the fenders look 1913?
engine runs but this car will need restored bad
someone butchered it took out coils and added distributor
painted it with a paint brush
It will be redone
also someone PAINTED over brass radiator with brass paint
First job is to put a fuel shut off on it and a rebuilt carb, leaks like a fountain
I'm going with a 16 to start, judging by the hood former and no brass sidelights.
You purchased a collage.
The body appears to be a 1915 or later cut-off touring with some additional crude body work.
The fenders are 1917 or later. The splash apron shown is earlier.
Someone added louvers to the hood via a rivet job.
Wheels are square felloe - 1918 or later.
Later front end.
None of the discrepancies between this car and a model year correct car make it any less fun to own and drive. As you work on it and get things to your liking, make it fit your wishes. If what you really want is a "correct" car, you might be wise to start with one that has more year correct components. If fun is what you want, this looks like a great start.
Yep, along with what the others have said, the wishbone and perches are 1919 or later. I hope you didn't pay a 1912 price for this.
Chassis appears to be about 1919. This based upon front spring mount (pre'20), front wishbone (post'18), hand crank (pre'20) Firewall bracket (post '16). Fenders are a mix of '17 to '25 (one front is earlier, one front is '23-'25).
The hood is very interesting. The louvers were added in and it could have been a vintage modification. Body is messed up, but may not be too bad to fix it up.
You can pretty much restore it as whatever you want. As a funky fun whatever to a really nice whichever year you want runabout from 1915 to 1922. Know what you want, do the research. Much of it is available online, most of it from this site. I recommend Bruce McCalley's book, "the Model T Encyclopedia". Then work the car over to be what you want.
Photos of the engine and interior including the firewall would help.
Welcome to the wonderful, frustrating, most fun, infuriating disease you can ever enjoy!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Thanks everyone I just will consider this another saved T from neglect I did not catch that the hood louvers had beed rivited on good catch
It does start and run, it has brakes and I paid VERY little for it so I got a fair deal I believe as long as I can shine up the brass, get the body, top and upholstrey done, then paint it it will look presentable
I am ahead of myself and will get out the books but what would be the period correct colors from 1912 to 1919? 1917 all black ? I am excited about starting on the car tomorrow using the taking a car out of mothballs check list
Looks like it has the rare, gravity-flow sidelight on the driver's side....
For my education that this is NOT a 1912 body, I see the engine hood does not match up with the firewall. Am I correct?
I really happen to like the hood. The workmanship looks really nice. If you should decide that it does not suit you, please contact me. Yes it needs some "loving" but it appeals to me!
It's not a 1912 body because it has a cowl, which is 1915 model year or later.
Your car has a 1915-16 hood-former. However, it has a 1917 or later style firewall bracket (angle iron) which can be plainly seen in the third photo.
The hood is resting in the correct position on the hood-former.
This is a 19-- Model T FUN car. All that needs be said. What did you pay? I know, not my business..but curious...engine pics?
I am going to ask some questions:
1. You said it's titled as a 1912. Did the owner tell you that, because he originally said it didn't have a title. And the car was advertised as a 1914, 1915, 1916.
2. The engine number you have listed would place the block in the 1910 range. Is it open or closed valve, and if closed is it 2 valve covers or one? Engine serial number may have been altered.
As the others have pointed out, you did save a T by purchasing it, but it's a crammed-together car from a hodge-podge of years. You can still have fun with it, and that's what it is all about.
What an interesting car. Why is one of the lamps upside down? i think i saw that car for sale online somewhere it has the distinctive body at the bottom of the front seat.
Not sure if anyone noticed but there looks to be a missing rivet in the front of the frame so you might want to put a bolt in there or something.
Fix it and drive it, it looks fun
What a wonderful car, you did good. Yeah it has this and it has that, these are people not being critical, but rather observent from their own experieces. It's yours make it the way you see it, after all Henry called it the universal car. I've seen this car on ebay a year or two ago, and the owner then had a video on you tube driving it around. Please remember that wherever you go with this car I'll bet you won't be able to count the smiles and conversations it envokes. Mr McCally's encyocpedia is a wealth of information not to memtion this forum, I'll bet you couldn't imagine a question that hasn't already been discussed here. Enjoy your car, they are fun. Wes
My big question is, what should the title read for the year? It has an engine that is 1910? 1912? It has an engine hood and radiator prior to ??? Since it is a collage of parts what year should I tell folks it is besides showing all the different years of parts and that it is a "universal parts car" Do I use the age of the newest part (1919 frame? but then it has an older hood engine and radiator?? It would certainly be desceptive to claim of genuine 1912 car when it is not, nor would I do that to anyone
Also going over the car after an afternoon of ownership and running it down the street, from the ebay add pictures it appeared to have nice white wall tires - they are painted white with a painted red stripe! Seller could have mentioned that in the add Now how to remove paint? Oh the list of work goes on lucky I have a lot of parts accumulated in the basement
If the engine number is correct, A 1910, that would be a waste to leave in this configeration of T parts, selling the engine would give you a large injection of money to make up your T to more inline with whats left.
Well, at least you didn't pay an awful lot for it.
I would like to see a photo of the engine number. Would that be possible?
If not, could you describe the location of the number. IE is stamped above the water inlet or just behind the timing gear cover? Also, are the valves and lifters exposed or are they covered with one or two shields?
Here is a little more info:
That's not a '10 engine. If it has a '10 serial number my guess is that it was a replacement. There was some talk about this car in an earlier post. General conclusion was that for the right price it could be a funmobile.
When you get around to it, there are commercial dip paint stripping firms that could clean your radiator up easily. Still leaves you a lot of polishing.
$4050. ..... well, looks like fun anyway.