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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary White - Katy, TX on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 08:52 pm:

Guys,

I'm working on a study where I'm seeing a very strong parallel between a certain Judean King (Uzziah of 2 Chron 26 and Isaiah 6 fame) and FDR.

I'd be interested to hear from those of you that were around when FDR passed on. It seems to me that someone who had been in office that length of time and who was leading the nation through recovery from the depression and a world war would have left quite a vacuum. I'd be interested to hear the general sentiment on his passing...were people fearful? Was there panic? Confusion?

All help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 08:55 pm:

I was three and a half. Don't remember a thing. Sorry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Robert Baker on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 09:09 pm:

Nope I was born in 1981 sorry!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 09:32 pm:

My Family in Holland must have thought highly of him, as my uncle and myself were given his christen names, Franklin Delano.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cecil paoletti on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 09:46 pm:

I was a young teen at the time FDR passed away. There was grief, there was shock and there was a strong conviction the nation would continue. There was discussion of whether a failed haberdasher, Harry Truman, the Vice President, could handle the job before him. Generally there was confidence in the successful completion of WW II and some concern about the post war recovery. It is the nature of politics to criticize but manners were different then and I do not recall any rejoicing at FDR's death. The majority seemed to appreciate what he had accomplished in his terms of office. It took time for the news of his death to saturate the country since the only means of mass communication were the newspapers, movie news and radio. Perhaps this time lapse allowed the nation to absorb the news more gradually and adjust to the loss.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Weir on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 10:46 pm:

I was a jr in hi school and was at track practice about 3:00 Pyem when we heard. It was my 4th experience with death of someone I knew. Three relatives and then FDR. I had faith that the government would continue on, for we had studied the constitutional republic in civics class. That was only one of the things we had to know about the government.
There was no 'dancing in the streets' or wailing and flogging ourselves like we see these days over some peoples death. A little over a year later, there was a spontaneous parade in town and a lot of celebrating over V J day. FDR wasn't universally admired in our community. Many lives were made much poorer by the Bank Holiday and the confiscation of gold. I believe that most people I knew accepted the fact that he died, some relieved, and some regretting the fact.

Sincerely

Jim Weir


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 11:00 pm:

The way I heard it there was s gun shot and when the folks went into his room he was dead. He is buried in a coffin that no one was allowed to look into. It was believed that he was in a lot of pain and shot himself in the head. That was the story when I was in the 7th grade. To this day there is a 24 hour a day guard at his burial site and you can't dig him up to look. He had a girl friend and there was a lot crap because of that too, but that is how they do it in Washington D. C. no matter if it is a Kennedy, a hot dog, or a Wiener.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Rigdon on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 11:22 pm:

I well remember pulling our F120 Farmall into the barnyard and my dad telling me that the President had died. In that day and age we all had faith in the govermental process and, at least in our community, Harry Truman was quickly accepted. There was sadness at FDR's passing but little concern about the future state of the nation. I loved Harry.
Bill R. '25 Fordor


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George A Wood on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 11:42 pm:

I was seven at the time and I can remember my mother and several other people crying.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:07 am:

April 12, 1945. I was 8 years old.
I remember it.
Where I lived I think people just accepted it and went on with their life thinking all would be well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Von Nordheim on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:48 am:

Frank Harris.....your last sentence got me laughing....However, you forget to mention our last Calif. Gov. At least we know where some of our tax $$$'s went.
I hope Mrs. Wiener takes care of his problem and re-names him "Bobbit".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew K. Deckman on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 03:23 am:

ouch!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert G. Hester Jr. on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 03:38 am:

I remember, but no details. I was one month from age five. My Mom cried.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 07:23 am:

As a history buff, I'd never heard FDR committed suicide and I'm certain that is not correct. I always heard he died of a massive brain hemmorage in Hot Springs, Georgia (the "Little White House") where he went to get away and sooth his polio stricken legs in the mineral spring waters there.

At the time of his death he was surrounded by witnesses and having his portrait painted, so there is no way he shot himself. I believe his last words were "I've got a terrific headache" and died a few minutes later. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By IW - Palmer, Texas on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 07:26 am:

Who's FDR???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Mortensen, Ham Lake, MN on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 07:34 am:

Jim;
Schoolyard grapevines can give you strange information. I was at recess when JFK was assassinated. The kid I got the news from told me he was in a helicopter flying over Vietnam and was shot down.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 07:42 am:

FDR is buried about 25 miles from me in Hyde Park NY, on one visit it was raining, I was quite alone at his burial site, no guards. FDR was either loved or hated, there didn't seem to be much middle room among the folks I know who remembered him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 07:44 am:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Our only four term (well, three terms and a few months of the fourth) President of the US from 1932 to 1945. Not our best President but one having the most impact on us today with all of the entitlement programs he enacted, such as Social security and the way he packed the Supreme Court with judges who agreed with him. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John A Kuehn on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 10:02 am:

Good thread about FDR. Whether his entitlement programs were good or not I guess it depends on how you look at it.
He did get the country moving again in some ways for sure.
History is our best teacher if its taught and seeing a segment on the news the other day makes me wonder.
According to the news story American history is almost at the bottom of the list for school kids these days and I can believe it.
Folks have grown up expecting a free ride and that way of thinking has shown up in a LOT of our kids.
The national debt tells the story. We are heading in the wrong direction pretty fast and the roller coaster keeps getting faster and faster.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 10:18 am:

Here are two versions of the story. I was 14 and remember it very well. The items below are from snopes and they will not commit.

My mother always claimed that she was shopping in Bloomingdales in NYC at
the time the news of FDR's death was announced. She said that the
announcement over the store intercom that day, right after it happened,
clearly stated that he'd shot himself in the head.

She also said that not long after, the story given out by the news media
suddenly changed to his death having been of natural causes.
All I can add to this is that my mother never wavered from this account,
and had no reason whatsoever to lie about what she'd heard that day.

My Grandfather was docked in the Philippines at the time of FDR's death.
He remembers that same announcement going over the ships intercom.

Another story mentions a gentleman who claimed to have done the autopsy
on FDR and removed a bullet from his brain.

There is another story about mortuary workers in Atlanta who saw the
presidents body with a bullet hole in his brain. The same site mentions
"FBI" agents who admitted that FDR hid a gun under his lap blanket and
then asked to be rolled in his wheelchair to a favorite spot where he shot
himself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 11:13 am:

If someone is repeating what they heard, they are not lying, but if what they are conveying is false, they are simply mistaken. If they sincerely believe that the falsehood they first heard is the truth, even after the facts emerge, it simply means that, for them, what they first heard is the truth, just as many conspiracy theorists today choose to believe what they want, even after what they believe has been disproven.

If your mother heard this right after the fact, before all the facts were known, it may have been the prevalent rumor going around at the time, but as time passed, and the facts came out the real story emerged. Back in the forties, word of mouth was the fastest means of communication and it was always subject to embellishments. Just like a simple campfire story starting out as one thing, whispered to the first person and being conveyed from one person to the next and by the end of the circle ending up as a totally different story.

FDR was always an optimist who loved life and challenge. Though he had experienced pain and discomfort every day of his life since 1921 when he first contracted polio at the age of 39 which paralyzed both legs from the hips down, he was always optimistic that he would get better. In 1945, even though he was in failing health, he always thought he would get better and was doing his Presidentuial duties to the very last second of his life, so he was was not the type to have killed himself and I think if any proof ever existed that he did, it would have been written into the history as fact and, as much as I have read about history and FDR in particular, I have never heard that he commited suicide... Jim Patrick

www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/fdrdeath.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DAREL J. LEIPOLD on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 11:48 am:

He was with his special woman friend at Hot Springs where he often stayed. Eleanor, FDR's wife knew of this woman, but did not know she was with him at Hot Springs. FDR had little or no use of his legs. Bathing in the hot water at Hot Springs reduced his pain. The story is that FDR knew he would not finish his 4th term. He replaced VP Wallace with Harry Truman. Eleanor had her special friends who she entertained at her cottage at the Roosevelt Estate in New York. Her friends were all women. FDR's mother did not approve of Eleanor, She wanted him to marry one of the pretty young woman of the social group of New York. FDR picked Eleanor because he said she was the only one he could hold an intelligent conversation with. She was the niece of President Teddy Roosevelt and was FDR's distant cousin. I was 13 years old at the time of FDRs death. My father called FDR "That man in the White House". I did not believe my father was very pleased with FDR's policies. He thought more of Truman and wrote Truman a letter. When I visited the Truman library in the 1970s I was able to see the letter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 11:49 am:

When I was born FDR was president. For quite a number of years, I thought a Republican was someone who ran against the president. It wasn't until I was in Jr. High that we got a Republican president. DDE.

Concerning the death of president Roosevelt, I was in fourth grade when someone came into the classroom and said, "President Roosevelt has died". I don't remember anyone rejoicing, but some were quite concerned as to whether Harry Truman would be able to do the job. He was just elected vice president the previous November, and a virtual unknown to most Americans. And I'm sure to most world leaders as well.

Harry Truman did a very good job, as far as I am concerned.

Here it is over half a century later, and the above posts are the first that I have ever heard of any gunshot or bullet in the head. The official report was a cereberal hemorage.

Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Hansen on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 11:57 am:

FDR died on my 10th birthday, the same day was delivering paper with my bicycle and was bit on the lower right leg by a German Shepherd with a reputation of chasing kids on bikes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:02 pm:

Jim, the eyewitness to history story you posted will not let me scroll down to read it. I zoomed down to 50 percent and then it is too small to read. How do you scroll on that page ?


The items I posted were not my own mothers words they were quotes from snopes that another person wrote about his mother and they neither deny or confirm the suicide. We all talkeda about it in school at that time and then the story changed. There was not an open coffin.

We did not know that FDR was an invalid at that time and they never showed him in a wheel chair, so why would they tell the truth about suicide ? He was a hero to us all and the only president I had ever seen that I could remember as I was too young when Hoover was president. Roosvelt hated Hoover so much that he renamed Hoover Dam and changed its name to Boulder Dam. Only recently did they re-name it back to Hoover Dam.



Everyone knows about the apparent suicide by Adolf Hitler 66 years earlier on 30th April, 1945, however very little is known about another suicide/assassination that took place 66 years earlier on 12th April, 1945. I am talking about FDR ( Franklin Delano Roosevelt) the World War 2 president of United States of America.

Harry Truman recognized the State of Israel on May 14, 1948, eleven minutes after it declared itself a nation. FDR would not have done it. On April 5 1945 FDR writes to Saudi King Ibn Saud stating;-


“Your Majesty will recall that on previous occasions I communicated to you the attitude of the American Government toward Palestine and made clear our desire that no decision be taken with respect to the basic situation in that country without full consultation with both Arabs and Jews. Your Majesty will also doubtless recall that during our recent conversation I assured you that I would take no action, in my capacity as Chief of the Executive Branch of this Government, which might prove hostile to the Arab people”. See the full text here ;-http://www.mideastweb.org/roosevelt.htm


Strangely exactly a week after FDR wrote the above letter, President Franklin D. Roosevelt is found dead on April 12th 1945. Normally FDR always stayed at the house of Jew Bernard Baruch, but this year he did not. His suicide or assassination cleared the final hurdle for creation and recognition of Israel. Following are a few excerpts including eye witness accounts of suicide / assassination of FDR.


“My mother always claimed that she was shopping in Bloomingdales in NYC at the time the news of FDR's death was announced. She said that the announcement over the store intercom that day, right after it happened, clearly stated that he'd shot himself in the head.

She also said that not long after, the story given out by the news media suddenly changed ....

You can read the rest of the article at . . . . .
http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2011/04/did-fdr-commit-suicide-or-was-he.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB-Toms River N.J. on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:18 pm:

Second hand info from Grandpop who was in and out of Wash. at that time. Claimed to have seen FDR twice. Once in the late 30's and again in around late '43. Was, as you may have read, shocked at his appearance the 2nd. time. Obviously ill. Read that congenital heart failure and astronomical blood pressure contributed to his hemorrhage. This is the first time I've ever heard of a story of his "suicide". Was in Catholic grade school at the time of Kennedy's death. The penguins told us we didn't pray hard enough and he died.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis - Lyons, GA on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:37 pm:

I'm only 47, so it was all before my time, but today is the first I've ever heard of any suicide and cover-up. Sounds like BS to me.

I guess FDR felt he was doing the right thing as far as all his give-away programs go. Perhaps they were needed at the time to ensure survival of some, however, I think today most agree that WWII, not social programs, is what put the US economy back on track. I don't remember the exact verbage, but I know that FDR cautioned that the welfare system should not become "A narcotic." Interesting term. And so accurate. Unfortuantely, that is exactly what has happened.

By the way, it is WARM Springs, not HOT Springs. I grew up about 30-40 miles SW of there in Phenix City, AL.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 01:33 pm:

It was Harry Truman who said:

"Social Security...is not a dole or a device for giving everybody something for nothing. True Social Security must consist of rights which are earned rights -- guaranteed by the law of the land."


FDR had previously said:

"We can never insure one-hundred percent of the population against one-hundred percent of the hazards and vicissitudes of life. But we have tried to frame a law which will give some measure of protection to the average citizen and to his family against the loss of a job and against poverty-ridden old age. This law, too, represents a cornerstone in a structure which is being built, but is by no means complete.... It is...a law that will take care of human needs and at the same time provide for the United States an economic structure of vastly greater soundness."

These two speeches were given one day shy of exctaly 10 years to the day apart.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By curtis billups on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 01:57 pm:

I am 83 years old and remember the day well. No sucide wss mentioned in Pittsburgh.
This thread was, is fascinating.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steamboat on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 02:22 pm:

Gary,

I was a senior at Oregon State at the time and what we heard was he died in his office of a brain hemorage. The town went into mourning and a lot of business's shut down. I could not find gas for 3 days; I had to walk to classes. FDR was one of our more capable presidents. He got the votors to provide him with a rubber-stamp congress. Whatever he asked for he got: WPA, PWA, NRA, CCC, etc. One of the things he instituted was with-holding income taxes. As a result he collected 2 years of taxes in one year. Since, when Soc. Sec. started there were no retirees, he had this money also. At the time there was no significant debt, so with this extra money, these work projects got things going again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 02:50 pm:

Frank.

Try: http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pffdrdeath.htm

Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John A Kuehn on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 03:00 pm:

It wouldnt surprise me if the FDR suicide story is true.
All we really know is whats being told to us by the "official sources" whoever that might be.
Being 63 years old and knowing now what I didnt know 40-50 years ago about news orginazations and who owns and who can influence them will make a thoughtful person wonder.
A lot of people will follow the crowd and go along with what ever they see and hear.
And the roller coaster keeps going faster and faster.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 03:05 pm:

Well, to get back to the original question concerning a parallel with king Uzziah. I have just re-read the accounts in the Bible, and only find a few things parallel. One was that both were in office for a long time. Both were good at their jobs. They both dealt with sickness while in office. However, President Roosevelt contracted Polio before his first election. King Uzziah was struck with leprosy during his reign, because of his offering sacrifice instead of having the priest do it according to the law. Both died in office.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary White - Katy, TX on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 03:27 am:

Thanks all for this insightful discussion!

Norm, great points...you are 100% accurate in your assessment.

As I read Isaiah 6 in preparation for a sermon, I couldn't help but be fascinated with the implications of Isaiah's vision taking place in the year King Uzziah died.

II Chronicles 26 gives insight into Uzziah's accomplishments;

-His ascension was unanimously approved by the people.

-He expanded the territory of Judah by recapturing the port city of Elath (located on the eastern horn of the Red Sea). Elath was an important post in the pan-Arabian trade and had been originally captured by David - it became the site selected by Solomon to house his navy and fleet of merchant ships. Elath fell into the hands of the Edomites approx. 60-80 years prior to the reign of Uzziah.

-He captured the strategic & fortified cities of Gath (traditionally held as the home of giants - including the infamous Goliath) and Ashdod (another Philistine 'crown city'). In doing so, Uzziah accomplished something that even the Jewish national hero & pseudo-messiah Joshua could not - Gath was also the city David sought refuge in when hiding from Saul.

-Judah's renown "spread as far as the border of Egypt" and the Ammonites brought Uzziah tribute.

-Uzziah expanded national infrastructure by building and fortifying towers on strategic trade routes, "digging many cisterns", put people to work in the vineyards and fertile farmlands, and developed a massive army.

Uzziah implemented these things on the heels of the disastrous reign of his father, Amaziah, under which Judah suffered crushing defeats at the hand of Israel in which thousands were killed, the royal treasury seized, and the temple of the Lord plundered (II Chron 25:22-24). The civil warfare and strife which plagued Amaziah’s reign was countered by the consensus building and economic expansion which took place under Uzziah.

II Chronicles 26 tells that this great and powerful king’s reign lasted an incredible 52 years – the longest of any Judean king to that point, and 12 years longer than the celebrated reigns of David or Solomon! Once again this stands in stark contrast to the experience of Judah’s rebellious neighbor to the north (Israel), which during the last decade of Uzziah’s rule alone saw the rise and fall of three different kings (two of which lasted only a few weeks). In an age where the average Judean’s life expectancy probably numbered in the neighborhood of 35-40 years, Uzziah’s reign has to be seen as a powerfully stable and comforting one (average life expectancy among the English aristocracy did not exceed 52 years until the 18th century according to H.O. Lancaster’s book Expectations of Life).

Personally, and I don't think this is MUCH of a stretch, there are some parallels between Uzziah and FDR. Whereas FDR, to quote Time Magazine, “roused a nation from its creeping paralysis”, Uzziah raised the Jewish nation from the crippling effects of civil warfare; Just as Roosevelt was swept into the oval office on a consensus-built mandate for change; this Judean king rose to power through the unilateral support of the people. Where FDR created infrastructure which gave rise to American prominence in world markets, Uzziah expanded the influence and renown of Judah far beyond her borders (II Chronicles 26:8-15). And, where FDR exercised authority over the free world for an unprecedented three terms and part of a fourth; Uzziah enjoyed an almost unimaginably lengthy reign. Indeed, Uzziah was the FDR, the Lincoln, and the Winston Churchill of his people – all rolled into one.

The point I am trying to make is that great leaders often leave quite a vacuum. I find it fascinating that Isaiah's vision of God (The King of Kings) took place in the year that one of the greatest kings Judah had ever known had passed away. Faced with uncertainty at home and abroad (Assyria was just beginning to loom large on the horizon at this time), Isaiah had to have felt relief that God was indeed a greater king on a greater throne.

Just thought it would make it easier for people to relate to circa 742 BCE if they could contextualize it in more familiar terms. The congregation I'm speaking to Sunday is largely comprised of folks that would resonate with the FDR comparison.

Anyway, thanks again for the discussion!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Davis on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 03:51 am:

I was in JR.High shool. When I came home after school my mother was ironing clothes in our kitchen. She told me President Roosevelt had died. We turned on the only radio we had to listen to the new comentery. We felt the war was going our way at last but who was this guy Truman. Truman was not popular in Texas......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 09:30 am:

While FDR certainly had a great influence on the world I think comparing him to any biblical figure is somewhat tedious. I know that modern democrats think each president from their party is a godlike creature, a slobbering sort of idolatry that the Bible preaches against in so many ways.

FDR was a near dictator, provided with more power than any one man should have been able to weild. That he did not use his dicator powers in a bad way too many times is a reflection of his morals.

I wish the current democrat president had some small amount of this quality.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 11:10 am:

Another conspiracy theory about FDR's death is that he wasn't going to recognize Israel as a legitimate country (had he lived, and even told them so), someone from over there assassinated him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CharlieB-Toms River N.J. on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 11:21 am:

There are some stories concerning FDR's Anti-Semitism. As with most folks the more you read the less you like them. Same is true, as far as I'm concerned, with Henry F. I've read extensively on both these guys. Roosevelts people made him appear healthy on that last run but many close to him knew he'd never make it to the term end. (their job I guess). Ford? I'm just glad I never worked for him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary White - Katy, TX on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 12:31 pm:

Royce, well said. I agree, both parties try to co-opt scripture for their purposes. My point in using FDR as an example is to connect the feeling of loss the nation felt as a result of his passing to the sense of uncertainty and loss the nation of Judah felt as a result of Uzziah's death. This is not an attempt to glorify Uzziah nor FDR, in fact a reading of the text I'm preaching from (Isaiah 6) illumines the fact that any presumed power an earthly king seems to posses is fleeting compared to the great power of God who reigns forever.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 11:35 pm:

I remember my Mom, a lifelong Republican, crying in front of the radio at the news of President Roosevelt's death.

About 1952, my Dad's sister from the sand hills of Nebraska came to visit us in Oregon. She claimed, among other things, that Roosevelt was a Jew and a Communist. She said the language they used in the Kremlin was Yiddish. Yalta was a big giveaway to the Communists, according to her, and FDR was killed by them or the Jews, don't remember which. She said she got her info from some guy who traveled the country speaking, and who wrote a book all about it.

My parents listened politely.

Rightwing nutjob extremists are nothing new.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 11:56 pm:

Politics and religion have no place on the Forum.
Let's go back to Henry and his car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 08:27 am:

Ralph, drop the word "rightwing" and I'll agree with you. Both the right and the left have nutjob extremists...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 04:54 pm:

I agree Dick.

I was wondering how long it would take Ralph to jump in after I saw Royce's post!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john b joyce on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 03:01 pm:

I was at Eglin feild #4 in the USAAF. The day after his death we were ordered out to the company street in formation and an eulogy was read to us by the comanding officer as we stood at attention. The whole thing lasted about 10 minutes and then we were dismissed and back to work. My father never liked FDR and I suppose I was influenced by that because I remembered being resentful of having to listen to all the praise in the CO's speech. I was 19 at the time. My father claimed he was a communist but of course he wasn't.I do believe he was ailing at Yalta and gave away to much to Stalin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 04:48 pm:

Suicide was never mentioned in any history that I have "heard" or read.

Frank, this makes two days in a row that your posts set me off. Probably time for me to stop reading them.

Recently my daughter had a 6th grade assignment to ask four adults who their favorite Americans were. She asked my parents, and my 88 year old father named Douglas MacArthur (he was in New Guinea and the Phillipines during WWII). My mother named President Roosevelt.

I have always thought what a remarkable person to lead the country through the great depression and WWII, probably the two greatest threats to our democracy since the civil war.

Today, there seems to be a need to revise history to vilify or denigrade those who have different political beliefs.

Bottom line, both Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy (also mentioned above by Frank) died in the service of their country. Regardless of your politics, let's give those who gave their all in the service of our country the respect they deserve.

My opinions

Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 07:32 pm:

Lets not forget that the media is not infalliable. Mistakes are made now, as they were then. I remember seeing a newspaper that claimed the Titanic struck and iceberg, but was afloat and being towed to New York. Quite sure it never happened that way, but someone heard that, and the story ran.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RICK NELSON - East Grand Forks, MN on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 07:40 pm:

Maybe the next time you are enjoying your T in one of our national parks or possibly getting your social security check, you can think about FDR as you may not have had a lot of things without his Presidency.
I don’t believe he lined his pockets with money from his policies like many politicians do now.
Let the poor man rest in peace.

Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George A Wood on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 09:10 pm:

Granted, there are both right and left wing nut jobs, but only the right wing nut jobs seem to post on this site.


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