Carlton Pate sent me a photo of his rear floor mat on his beautiful 1909 Touring. He didn't restore the car however. Does anyone have an original to copy? Brand of wool carpet to use? This "T" part is so rare even Kim Dobbins doesn't have one.
I thought it was just a cocoa mat...love to see pictures and learn more about this. We need a mat for the back of our '11...Dave C.
Here is the picture from the Parts and Price book
#3607 Tonneau (touring) carpet $2.50
For that high price in 1909 sure must have been a wool carpet
Thanks for posting Dan! You are a great "T" guy!
Thank you Dan.
I wonder if there was a factory drawing with dimensions? Thickness of the wool and stitch of the trim and the fasteners.
If you want it correct, get the factory drawing.
Send a request form to Benson Ford Research Center, (go to their web page and print out form) send a check, as it costs. The prices are on the form.
For that part you must state year (1909-1910) and the factory number, that is different than the part number.
The part number for the Tonneau Carpet is #3607 and the factory number is 1606. For the #3608 Carpet Screw the factory number is 1602.
The prints are delivered in about a month depending on work load at the library, you can't reproduce parts unless you get allowance, but you can request and get ok to share "portion" of dimensional info for research and hobbyist information to check tolerance on parts....that is the way I got copy of blueprint on the triple gear bushing.
Dan, You are one sharp guy!
I was hoping someone would post a type of material and a source for it as I believe my 1911 Oakland had some wool carpeting in a couple of places as well. I don't know where to find it though.
The people that would know would be the top notch upholsterers. Who would that be on the east coast? On the west coast I believe a top notch guy would be Nemeneck in Walnut Creek, California. Does anyone know of a top notch person?
Lots of wool auto carpet suppliers, just Google.
The British cars and high end cars used wool, Wilton wool., a type of weaving, high plush. Maybe you could use this type wool.
Here is one supplier out of many:
Now wool can be got, but anyone know of 'horsehair' or other 'hair carpet' ?
The Autowa touring adv. states "Rubber mat in front, hair carpet in tonneau." So I am after a source of hair carpet.
When I made mine for my 1909 touring, I went to a local upholstery shop and got some wool black carpet for a Mercedes. It's short pile, and worked out fine. The T parts books show this carpet used up into 1911. The first time the coco mat shows up in a T parts book is mid 1911. There are no holes is the floor for the carpet screws in my 1910 touring (23805) so I think they were using the coco mat by that time.