In April 1911 Mr. C.T. Miller of Payneham succumbed to the Adelaide trend and bought a new Ford from the South Australian Ford distributors Duncan & Fraser. The car was registered #1397. I stole this number shamelessly for our 1911 as it is an original Ford number. This photo of Mr. Miller has been around for years...
Just last week a photo was sent to me as the person looked like Mr. Miller in the above photo. I have been fortunate enough to acquire the photo from the Wagener Family and I am fairly sure it is Mr. Miller. The cars are not the same, even if it is not Mr. Miller we think this is a salesman from Duncan & Fraser demonstrating a Ford car. Great to get 2 photos survive that have some continuos link to our heritage. And 2 geat photos of Canadian 1911's to boot...Dave C.
Are the lamps on the firewall accessories? The upper photo shows round front lenses and the lower photo has square lenses.
The door handle on the upper photo is horizontal and in the lower photo vertical. Are they installed on a square shaft with a set screw and attached however the worker assembling the car felt like attaching it?
The door handle on the upper car is not latched all the way. The handles on 1909 - 1912 rear doors have a two step latching mechanism. The first step latches the door closed, the second step hooks the door to the body.
The cowl lamps on the upper car are E&J, the cowl lamps on the lower car are probably Brown Model 60.
You can see some of the different style USA lamps at Bruce's on line encyclopedia see: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/I-O.htm#lamps
I suspect but do NOT know that the Canadian Fords may have used USA, USA style lamps produced in Canada by a company owned by the parent USA lamp company, or there may have been a Canadian source for lamps that was not a USA company opened in Canada to avoid the customs. So Bruce's listing of USA lamps may or may not cover all the different years for Canadian Ts.
If anyone has additional information on lamps supplied with Canadian Fords, we would enjoy learning more about them.
Again great photos.
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At this early stage we used the US lamps where supplied with the vehicle. Classco lights I have only seen in the metal & brass construction on the 1913 model and later.
The top photo looks like E&J lights to me, probably the "Patent 1908" model. The car in the bottom photo is Jno. Brown equipped, sidelights are the normal 2 tier model 85's...Dave C.
Here is our 1911 'Mabel' proudly sporting Mr. Miller's original South Australian registration number...
Since the door handles have square shafts, they can be put on with the handle either vertical or horizontal in the latched postion. I have seen pictures of original cars both ways. Here's mine:
Thanks for posting the pictures, David. Are they posted in the highest resolution you have?
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No, please send me a private email...Dave C.
When you drive your car do you wear a suit like Mr. Paynehams?
I don't see how you could tell the handles are latched or not. The Ford catalogues show them vertical.
No, I can't tell if the handles are fully latched or not, but neither can you.
In the photo above, the car is loaded and the original owner, Elhanen Parkes has a custom-made tonneau cover. It would seem unlikely that he would have the cover on without the door fully latched.
I have five photos of my car up to about 1955 that all show the handles in the horizontal position when the doors are closed. Elhanen never married and never had any children, so it is likely that the back doors were rarely even used! Since these photos are the best references that I have for my car, I have installed the door latches with the handles horizontal when fully latched.
Remember, the Ford catalog show artists' drawings of cars. The catalogs also show acetylene generators on cars, but we know that cars also came from the factory with prest-o-lite tanks.
So Royce, my friend, I'm not looking for an argument, I was simply pointing out that the door latches can be installed either way.
Thanks in advance for the high resolution image.
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