This is a good one.
Wrong rear fender and no generator? nice photo...
A very interesting car. At a glance, it looks like a Torpedo roadster. But nothing is right on it. Well, maybe the engine and gasoline tank. It does not appear to be a '13 runabout, probably a '11/'12 standard/business roadster with some additional bodywork added to the sides. Interesting how the side goes back square and the seat back rises above it.
If they had made good changes to the windshield, fenders etc, it could have looked pretty good. The seat still sits too high.
Sometimes when we see restorations that are odd, with changes to the body and fenders, we may wonder how far back those changes go?
You are right, this is a good one.
Thank you, and enjoy the season! W2
If it's not a Torpedo -- what is it ??
Except for the generator -- looks just like mine ..
kind of new at this -- jack
Except for the rear fender and the missing carbide generator, it sure looks to be a 1912 Torpedo. Maybe it had an accident and the rear fender was replaced with a Standard Runabout fender.
Looks correct except the rear fenders.
The reason the car in the first photo doesn't have a carbide generator on the running board is because the headlamps have been converted to electric. The clue is the reflectors in the headlamps which can be seen in the photo.
With no lips on the front fenders, maybe the whole set got changed or this was a very very late car built with 1913 style fenders?
Well , it`s got a triple-twist horn , and the horn tubing is outside the body , so it can`t be too late .
Actually there are only two complete circles on that horn. There are no triple twist horns on a Model T. Only single twist (1913 - 1915) and double twist (1909 - 1912).
Count them. The early style has only one more layer of tubing. At no point are there three complete revolutions.
Royce , I know , but EVERYONE calls them a triple-twist horn . Check the current parts catalogs . I`ve had a few myself , and noticed the incorrect description . BUT , if I had called it a DOUBLE-TWIST , then someone would have posted a correction of my comment , just like you did , but the other way around . SO , what do you propose the horn should be called ?? Triple-twist is wrong , Double-twist no one understands !!
If you follow the twists to the bottom of the bell, it is indeed a "triple-twist" horn. I don't see a problem myself. Dave
Horn-type name aside , the late 1912`s had a single-twist horn like the `13-`14`s , and the horn tubing with the bulb mount and bulb all mounted inside the body like `13-`14`s .
My eyes only follow that around twice. I think you're overcomplicating something that is fairly simple!
Roger, is that top photo from the period? If so, it's fantastic!
What did Ford call these horns?
What we call a tripple twist horn is closer to a tripple twist than a double twist. If you add up all the turns you will get 990 degrees or 2 3/4 turns. Count them.
I will dispute your number of turns out of spite until I can get another brass car!
O.K. , O.K. !! In the interest of peace , I propose that the 1909-1912 horn will , in the future , be called the " 2 1/2 twist horn " . Hows That , guys ??
Doug, I will dispute your proposal if accepted (see my reason above). ;)
Craig , did you ever serve on a negotiation team for the State Department ?? And , Brass is where you find it ( Be fast , VERY FAST , `cause the scrap prices are nutz !! ). ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Doug
1st picture looks like my 14 depot hack fender, I think?
Yes Craig, it is a great period photo of a 1912 Torpedo, but it has right hand drive. I think I found it on a link to an Australian site, but it was a while ago and I don't remember how I found it.
Roger, if that is a period photo it seems to indicate that there was pinstriping on the fenders of 1912's.
Have never seen that before and have always been told that there was no pinstriping on anything but the doors and body. thanks for posting...