1921 or 22 T Roadster

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2011: 1921 or 22 T Roadster
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Bruno on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 07:43 pm:

Just bought a 1922 T Roadster. It has the slanted windshield. The No# on the block indicates its Dec.1921. Did they have the slanted windshield at the end of 1921? Could this be a 1921 or 22?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 07:48 pm:

Slant windshield and one-man top were introduced in the 1923 model year which I believe was September 1922 through July 1923.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 07:52 pm:

I should add:

If you are determining the model year by engine number alone, a December 1921 motor number corresponds to the 1922 model year which I believe was September 1921 through August 1922.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" Harold Tucker on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 08:36 pm:

Don,

Welcome to the forum. From your profile it looks like this is your first posting here but you have been enjoying Model A Fords for sometime. Just like you would not necessarily date a Model A Ford only by the engine serial number, so to you cannot necessarily date a Model T Ford only by the engine serial number. Many engines, bodies, frames, and other parts were swapped out over the years. Additionally the Canadian cars went to the slant windshield one man tops for the 1920 model year while the USA production did not go to the one man top and slant windshield until the 1923 model year.

There is a lot of information on which parts went/go with what year car on the site you are posting to. See Bruce McCalley’s excellent on line encyclopedia at: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/intro.htm and the part you really want to look at: 1922 model year at: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/1922.htm [runs approximately Aug 1921 to Sep 1922 –(note many times the tourings changed to the new model year followed by the roadsters and that was true for the 1922 model year that continued the 1921 old style roadsters [wide arm rest] while the newer body styled tourings [narrow arm rest] were already in production). And the 1923 model year at: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/1923.htm

A couple of key items to consider:

1. If the car is mostly the same parts as came from the factory – how would I tell what year most of the parts came from and what year were the other parts from?

2. You stated the number on the engine block indicates it is a Dec.1921 engine. Is that the engine number stamped above the water inlet (same general location as the 1928-31 Model A Fords)? Is it a USA or Canadian engine number (the Canadian numbers which started during 1913 generally start with a C ] Do you know if the engine block has a casting date on it? Note when Ford dealers replaced an engine block they were directed to stamp the original engine serial number on the replacement block.

3, The slant windshield and one man top can easily be fitted to the earlier cars as well as the older straight windshield and two man top can be fitted to later cars (but not to the 1926-27 style cars). It is almost a direct remove and replace. You might have to enlarge a mounting bolt hole a little but they interchange easily.

4. From what you have shared so far (or at least what I noticed) your T could easily be a 1923-25 USA year model car with a replacement engine. If it has the orginal engine replacement engine but the windshield stations and frame were replaced it could be a 1917-1922 model year.

5. Not to worry – the 1909 after 2500 or so up to 1926 all drive about the same and are all a lot of fun. If you post some photos folks will gladly help you sort through what you have. Also don’t forget the local Model T club nearest you – see: http://mtfca.com/clubpages/chapters.htm and/or http://www.modelt.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=15 And there are several in CT and if you live near the state line – check the state next to you.

6. Safety – There are some known “gotchas” for Model Ts. My Model A Ford will leak if I forget to turn the gasoline valve off. So will the T – but the valve is often “in op” If there is a gas fired hot water heater anywhere near your T – be sure the gas tank is empty or that you have a good working shut off valve. Langs and the other vendors sell one that fits next to the car (great for turning off when you park the car. Impossible to turn off if there is a carb fire – because it is installed on the carb). The vendors such as Lang’s sell them see: http://www.modeltford.com/item/6055.aspx which looks a little more like an old style fitting or http://www.modeltford.com/item/6055RE.aspx which looks more modern. Both work. Also be sure to replace the original babbit thrust washers in your rear axle. If not you could lose your normal foot brake. There are a list of common safety issues with the T listed at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/69429.html http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/85208.html
Again, welcome to the forum! Don’t panic – the T is a very honest car with only a few known fault s that are easily managed.

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Bruno on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 09:38 pm:

Thanks Eric and Hap for the info on my question. The T will be delivered tomorrow morning. This will be my first T . But I have had my Model A since 1969. The last time i even drove a T was when i was about 13 or 14 and that truck backed up so fast I sank it about 3 feet through a barn door. The only other car I had in the past was a 1915 Metz.
Thanks again
db


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" Harold Tucker on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 07:05 am:

Eric,

You will have fun with the older Ford. Note that when you back a T up the driver needs to do so slowly s-l-o-w-l-y. At least if if has the original steering and it is set up according to factory specifications. Because of the front wheel caster the wheels will tend to want to go full left or right. Sort of like when you back up a shopping cart and the casters on the front try to turn around the other direction.

Good luck with your new T.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Or on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 11:40 am:

While you are waiting for the Ford to arrive this is a good read;
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/8538.html


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