Warford Transmission Vent

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: Warford Transmission Vent
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 10:32 am:

Does anyone have the details on placing a vent in the new Warford transmission to keep the oil from running down the torque tube?

I have not heard of this problem before and suggested the transmission might be over filled with oil. That was not the problem, but when the oil gets low, the noise increases considerably to alert the operator that it is time to add oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Goelz-Knoxville,TN on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 10:55 am:

Jim, i removed the 1/4" overfill plug and installed a 1/4"X hose barb fitting and put a piece of tubing on it and attached the end to the running board brace,or you could run it straight up and attach it, the oil came up around the shifter and this stopped it.
rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 12:04 pm:

I have an old alum Warford and love it Cept the oil dripping issues. It does a pretty good job of "straining" out the oil and on long freeway runs it sort of gets your toes oily but that's OK cause you can't HEAR the dripping hitting the ground because of the noise. Wife says I told you to turn there!

Have thoughts of replacing it with a new Layne one but have heard from more than one about oil leaking also. Darn Hee Hee


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 12:32 pm:

Gene, this is a new Layne one.

There is a rumor about a fix, but no details.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Berch on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 12:49 pm:

A lot of the old 50s/60s tractors used transmission 1/4" pipe vents. They were a little rain cap about 2" across stuffed with "Chore Boy" to keep out incoming dirt. You could plumb one of these into a street L with a couple of inches of riser pipe and use it for your fill plug/vent.

You can usually find them on eBay or any tractor salvage yard. Judging what these are priced at you may even inquire at a Case IH tractor dealership about a new one. They may still be sold over the counter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Farmall-300-350-450-400-tractor-gas-diesel-original-IH-p to-vent-cap-topper-/220925026117?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3370285f45

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Farmall-300-350-450-400-rowcrop-tractor-Ih-valve-assembl y-vent-cap-mount-straw-/320822109958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab27ce706


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 07:20 pm:

Thanks John! That must be the item in the rumor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Weir on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 07:42 pm:

Gene; On my old Aluminum Warford, the oil leaked out of the bearing adjusting plates for the counter shaft. I left the lock washers out and replaced them with sealing washers. That stopped the loss of oil and I ran it for 2 1/2 years without adding any. The bolt holes open on the inside to the oil, and the lock washers are not leak pruf.

The Mcmaster # is 93783A031. they also have a size that fits the 5/16 cap screws that are in the inspection cover

Sincerely

Jim Weir.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 07:43 pm:

Yes James, Some of the guys here have had the same problems with their new ones that's why I don't have one yet...

They solved most of the leaking problems with adding a vent pipe such as the looped hose solution or a lenght of pipe with a gear box brass vent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Zibell, Huntsville, AL on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 09:11 pm:

The last couple runs of Warfords come with a vent installed. http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/241062.html If you do a search of "warford vent" with the "and" option there are many posts to review on how to vent the previous versions without the vent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 11:10 am:

Thanks John! That is evidently the reference that started the rumor. That shows a place to install a vent, but no suggested type vent is evident. Is there also a vent unit available?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Zibell, Huntsville, AL on Thursday, January 26, 2012 - 05:28 pm:

James, you could call the Layne's http://www.laynemachine.com/Products.html Also if you attach a hose to the 1/4 inch hole for the level plug on the Warford and loop it over the frame that would work as well as any vent. On expansion the oil would go up the tube, and when it cools, return to the transmission. I have motorcycle transmissions that vent this way. Installing the vent that Layne is now using would require removing the transmission cover for installation. See the brass item in the cover in the picture below.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott McBrook on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 04:17 pm:

I have cleaned a good deal of grease/crud off the side of my Warford and see a fill plug, two side covers, a rectangular cover, grease cup on the output end, but no 1/4" overfill. There was a bolt near the output end that may have had 1/4" threads but the end of it appeared to be machined to hold something so I put it back in. Where is the 1/4 overfill to make a vent?

Hopefully a vent and sealing the threads of all the access covers and drain plug will drastically slow down fluid leaks. I could not read the name on the unit until I scraped off some of that dried lube and dirt.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott McBrook on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 04:26 pm:

Never mind, I got an answer in another thread that the shifter is open so no breather is necessary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 09:50 pm:

Fellows, I had problems with oil leaking from my new Layne Warford too. It was pumping oil out past the selector rods due to pressure build up in the gearcase. I drilled the plug and added a 5/16" hose which went right to the top of the fuel tank. I put a kingpin oiler in the end to keep debris out. The result was a leak from the end of the breather pipe, sending oil all over the fuel tank!

Then I installed the breather as fitted by Layne to the later boxes. It is a sintered bronze device which allows air to pass, each way. Unfortunately, it allows oil to pass also, but not as fast as before. I am beginning to think that Layne must be making these on redundant English machines once used to manufacture motorcycles. If you ever wondered why the Brits don't make computers it's because they haven't yet worked out how to make them leak oil!

I haven't finished trying to stop the leak yet. It does get noisy when the oil gets low, so there is a warning to top it up again. The answer may lie in another British idea used on our Leyland truck. Forget about the oil leak and fit an aluminium shroud lined with sound deadening material around the gearbox. I kid you not. We had to remove the thing when replacing a starter ring gear.

When I finally get the oil leak stopped I will look into a similar "muffler" for the gearbox if the noise persists.

Allan from down under.


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