Looks like a nice older resto...wonder how the engine will be . Wish I had some bucks...like I really need another one ... 1919 "Faultless" MODEL T FORD SPEEDSTER
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Very cool car!
That is one heck of an interesting speedster. If only I could. One to simply watch for me.
Look what else this guy has for sale....
THat is one beautiful ride. Wow.
Very cool, thanks for sharing.
I would love to own something like that, but need room to haul kids.
That green and cream car is not a Faultless Raceabout it is a Bull Dog made later than the Faultless. The radiator shell is different and so is the cowl or tail cone shell behind the seat. Here is a factory photo of a Faultless and a keen eye can tell the differences.
You can even see the bull dog logo on the left side of the radiator screen on the green and cream Bull dog car.
Factory photo of a Faultless made in Delphi Indiana.
Advertisement Faultless
Advertisement of a Bulldog made in Aurora Illinois.
There is a video of this speedster running on you tube. I don't know how to add a link, but if you go to You Tube and type in "Faultless Speedster" you will find it.
Frank your eye is keener than mine. To me they look identical.
I am madly in love with that boat!
Jerry, I looked at it but we can only have a 26 foot boat on our lake and this one is 30 feet.
I have a Faultless and we made three Bull Dog nose cones for some new ones. That is why I know these things. They look a lot like the Faultless. A buddy of mine also has a Faultless we got out of AZ and it's different too.
Faultess made a hood to fit the T and other flat front radiator shells like George Azevedo's, A "Fiat" hood for the Whippit shell, and their own shell with the two crescents.
I think they made changes in production as they went along but not the advertising.
I think this car sold on EBay 3-4 years ago. It was in a museum in Florida and sold for between $17-18,000. I'm sure they had it listed as a Faultless then. Regardless of what it is it sure looks like a nice speedster.
A lot of people don't know what they have for sale. Be careful and don't jump to quickly, that Bull Dog body only cost $38.50 when new.
Frank, Thank you I will keep that in mind!!!!
I'll give them double the original cost for just the body ! Think they will go for it ?
The faultless racer belonged to my grandfather in the 50s and 60s. I believe he purchased in the 50s from who he said was the original owner. I have pictures of the car in the 30s with the original owner. My grandfather restored the car in 1957 and published an article about the car the same year. He sold the car in 1965 to Judge Roy Hofhienz, together with 28 other cars and antiques. The suspected bulldog is actually a lion and was placed on the grill by my grandfather. The original faultless body plague is on the dash according to my grandfather.
Mark
Thank you for supplying that info. I came very close to pulling the trigger on this when it was up for sale a few years ago and if I had known about the documentation that you have I probably would have. Today the garage is to full and I'm at a point in life I just need to finish what I have.
That information should somehow get to the current owner as it is invaluable. So many cars have untraceable histories, it would be a shame to lose this. Thank you for taking the time to share this!It's a neat car.
Sorry but it has a Bull Dog on the the radiator screen so it must be a Bulldog originally fabricated by the then defunct Faultless Company and moved .... so unless they sold the name Faultless to the Bull Dog folks and they didn't use that name Faultless on their advertising but did use it on the unsold product they purchased from Faultless . . . . facts are facts so read my posts. My information is from advertising and your posts are hear-say . . . . sorry, life is tough when you are working with 80 year old information. I have no interest in this subject other than my research of when Faultless which was sold out to Bull Dog and then Faultless turned in to Bull Dog and made a new car out of an old one only in name and a slightly different radiator due to the fact that it happened when the
Model T gas tank was re-located under the cowl. . . Your's may be the only one on the cusp of that transaction and is rather rare.
History and historical research. In many cases history is not as exact a science as some of wish it was. As we look at illustrations in brochures we quickly learn that some of them are fairly accurate while others were drawn based on a prototype that never went into production. The old three pedal two-lever T in the advanced Model T brochure for example see: http://mtfca.com/books/1909.htm clearly did not go into production (but there is a chance there was one prototype that was used by the artist for his illustrations).
There are also some illustrations where “no such animal” ever existed. Such as the car without headlamp brackets and the headlamps were floating in “thin air”. By they way I am 99% sure I’ve posted that one before – but I cannot locate it at the moment. If someone runs across the catalog illustration -- I think it was on a black radiator Centerdoor with the headlamps but without a post or fork to hold it up -- please send me a copy or a link to it. Thanks.
In other cases Ford as well as other companies produced “one-off” prototypes such as the high cowl suicide door coupe which was apparently produced by Ford of Canada as a prototype and now belongs to Barry DeLong.
There are times when two folks are discussing an issue and they are each claiming something different. And they could both be correct. For example one person knows someone as John’s Father and someone else knows them as Martha’s Husband. And it could be the same person. And of course sometime the two people are both wrong – (please don’t ask me how I found that out).
And there are times when our Dad or Grandfather or even we are wrong or remember things wrong or were originally told some information about our car that was wrong. The Ford dealer in the 1950s that sold the Runabout to my Dad sold it to him as a 1906 Model N Runabout. And that is what the title said. When I came along and compared the pictures of the 1908 Ford Price List of Parts with the car it became clear it was a Model S Runabout and a 1907 and not a 1906. There is always more to discover. And my Dad said he cut the bottom out of my mother’s skillet to make a clutch disc for that car. And I’m sure he did – as Mom was still not happy about that one several years later. And while “hearsay” is not acceptable in a court of law for convicting someone – it can be a help when trying to reconstruct the history of a car. No it isn’t as nice as multiple photos take of the car coming off the assembly line and being given to the new owner. But oral histories can still be helpful as long as we understand they can also be misleading at times.
In the case of speedster above I think it is great to have the possibility of uniting the current owner or a future current owner with some additional information about their car. If the photos of the car from the 1930’s show the front of the car they may be able to confirm or clarify if the emblem was on the radiator shell or not. If it was not on the radiator shell then and is on the radiator shell now and if the Grandson remembers the Grandfather saying he put it there – then he probably did put there. Or if we can get a better photo of the current emblem that might add additional information. It is often very hard to document how something was originally done. But any additional clues are always welcome. Sometimes they can narrow down the possible answers and sometimes they make our heads swim because it makes it even more complex to try and figure out what happened with this T?
Respectfully submitted,
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I am going to miss seeing George Azevedos faultless on the SCVMTFC endurance run.
I just purchased the car from the current owner. I have detailed pictures of the car from the thirties. My grandfather did not seem to think that it was raced when he wrote his article in 1957. When I take delivery, I will post better pictures of emblem(it is a winged lion)--I appreciate all of your interest--I am so excited about having this car back in the family--I remember sitting in this car when I was 5 or 6 years old--I have pictures of my grandfather racing the car at horseless carriage club events(he was an amateur photographer, and have 100s of pictures of rare cars from the early 1900s through the 30s) and on galveston island. I would be interested in finding other owners of faultless racers. I have pictures of the dash plaque and will post when I can--my father drove this car as well. By the way, the gas tank is behind the seat and is not in the cowl. The thing that looks like a filler cap is actually a jewelled accessory that lights up(five different colors of jewels)--my grandfather loved the accessories and apparently mounted it there--it does not appear in the early pictures--I have found a hood ornament that matches the hood ornament my grandfather had on the car--it is very unusual and I cant believe I found one!!!! My grandfather indicated that it had a racing engine that was replaced in 1926--I would appreciate any leads on Rajos and Frontenacs
Oh, I do have pictures of the car from the 30s and the emblem was not there, in fact the emblem was added after 1957--I have other pictures of the car from the 60s and 80s and I will try to see when it was placed on the car--it could have been placed on the car while the Judge owned the car--my grandfather who was a friend of the judge also acted as his curator for his car collection and had access the car for quite some time.
I would be interested in obtaining any research regarding Faultless and related companies--from photographs that I have, it appears that the car had Brett and Morton(another related company, I understand) tire covers in the 50s--also I am looking for another matching Buffalo wheel--it had 3 Dayton wheels and 3 Buffalo wheels and the current owner was trying to stick with one brand of wheels and was in the process of acquiring Buffalo wheels for the car as part of its restoration
Well here we go again. The reason I believe it to be a Bull Dog and not a Faultless is that This cream and green car has a cowl mounted gas tank as a 1926 or 1927 Ford would have for gravity fuel feed. Since it has a 26 or later tank it is a Bull Dog because Faultless sold to them in mid 1920's when tanks were mounted behind the seat.
All Faultless Speedsters had the fuel tank mounted behind the seat as the red and maroon one shown above in the side view and below showing the tank which has and the filler showing on the right side. Most Faultless Raceabouts had the fuel tank mounted behind the seat and the seat had to be tilted forward to get to the tank for filling. Very few had the filler on the outside of the body as the red and maroon one has.
Faultless body fabrication ceased before 1926 and all Faultless fuel tanks are behind the seat. See Photo below of fuel tank and filler behind the seat on the right side in a real Faultless.
True Faultless bodies usually had a smooth cowl but could be fitted with an air vent scupper in the cowl as shown in the black and white factory photograph shown with five wire wheels but not in the drawings because there was no gas tank there when the Faultless was made from the late teens through the mid 1920's when they were finally sold to Bull Dog who mounted the gas tank behind the seat at first but later moved it to the cowl in 1926.
Here is the final clincher to prove it is a Bull Dog.
It should also be noted that the Faultless bodies always have a defined seam or kink where the rolled tail cone fastens to the rear of the seat at about where the rear axle rests. There is always a ridge or kink in a Faultless body at that place. The cream and green Bull Dog does not have such a crease or kink at that joint and appears to be made of one piece or has better body work than the Faultless car bodies had.
Note the definite change of shape or kink in the body at the rear axle on the black and white Factory photo of the Faultless Raceabout with the white wire wheels. Note also the kink in the body of the red and maroon Faultless with the disk wheels above in a side view. Note again the kink in the body of George Azevedo's yellow Faultless. Note the constant curve of the body of the yellow and green Bull Dog. I have posted a rear view of the Bull
Dog and you can plainly see there is no kink or joint but there is a constant curve unlike a Faultless with a kink.
The Sport Factories of America who built the Bull Dog for the Model T also built Bull Dog bodies for Chevrolet and many small cars of about the same size including a radiator shell. They sold for under $38.50 for Ford T and A models and $48.50 for Chevrolet and other cars without the radiator shell.
Lets put this to rest it's a 1926 or later Model T Ford Bull Dog conversion due to the lank of kink in the body and the location of the fuel tank. If the Bull Dog was not there originally one was either found or made and installed.
It could be that the fuel tank was relocated later on along with the Bull Dog and the kink in the body really smoothed out to make a constant curve rather than a kinked joint in the tail cone but I doubt all of those coincidences.
Here is a better picture of the kink in the Faultless body in color. The red one showing the right side view was in sun light that was too bright and it didn't show the kink well. I was looking at a lot of pictures of the car and was posting one of the fuel tank filler and not the kink or seam. It should be noted that Faultless Raceabouts had fuel pumps.
Below you can see just to the left of the arrow where the joint is made for the two pieces of metal making the cone on a Faultless. Here you can see where the tail pipe changes color in the reflection as the reflection passes over the kink. The black and white factory picture show it well.
There is no gas tank in the cowl or a scupper(the green and cream colored car). The gas tank is behind the seat. The body does flatten out as it gets to the seat--it looks as though it has been depressed near the seat--I willing to listen but I am not convinced you are right--I am trying to learn what I can about the car
Wow Mark that is good news if it is a true Faultless. When I first looked at the cowl of the car I saw a big cap on the cowl that certainly looks like a gas cap.
Just what is that silver colored cap up on the center of the cowl next to the windshield hooked up to ? And can you feel a bump in the rear of the body near the rear axle where Faultless bodies are joined ?
If you look in the rear behind the gas tank you should be able to see a seam crossing from left to right over the top from side to side where the tail cone was fastened on to the mid section of the body.
As I said in one of my posts , someone could have cleaned up that joint when they put that neat paint job on the car and taken the pronounced kink out of the body that all Faultless bodies have.
it is a light fixture or automotive accessory with jewels that light up--one of accessories or objects my grandfather attached to the car--I just tried to post some original pictures of the car before my grandfather purchased it and the object or accessory is not there--the pictures were too many mega pixals to attach--I will try to post soon---I just found a picture of the faultless dash in an advertisement that looks similar to one in the car--I cant imagine the dash being that crude, but maybe it was
here are some pictures
here is another
here is another
Hello everyone my name is Alex Azevedo grandson to the late george Azevedo. I'm looking for some help my grandpa had the yellow 21 faultless, now owned by my uncle Larry Azevedo. Just before my grandpa passed I purchased his 15 roadster project. I asked him about the blue prints to the faultless as his is an original body and he told me he sold them. Does anyone have a set I can purchase or copy. I have been after those prints for 12 years now. Let me know if you can help.
P.s. the faultless will return to the scvmtfc endurance run driven by my uncle Larry.
Alex,
Welcome, that great your uncle will bring the faultless back for the run. You might want to try Frank Harris, he might have a set or know where to get them.
Tim.
P.S. will your Aunt Shirley come out and do the run again sometime?
I am in the process of restoring my grandfather's faultless racer--in the process of restoring the dash--I uncovered a Faultless Body decal on the dash
Great! Good luck on the re-restoration. I hope to see progress pictures along the way.
My unknown make boat-tail in the process of restoration a few years ago.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Tim, Thanks for the kind remarks about my extensive automotive library but I don't have and drawings of the Faultless for Alex. I remember attending the Santa Clara Speedster run with my little #22 Speedster and chatting with both George in his yellow Faultless and Shirley in her blue and white Speedster. I wish I could help. I do know that a true faultless has a seam or kink where the tail cone meets about half way to the cockpit. See the black arrow on the red one that I posted up above. You can also see it in the black and white factory photo.
Here is picture of the faultless body decal on the dash, under the celluloid cover, and griffin mounted on the grill of the car--these were popular in the late 1800s and early 1900s--protectors of evil that may lie ahead
The jeweled lite on the cowl that some have mistaken for a gas filler cap is a very rare Boyce Moto meter lite, red and green jewels on the side and clear lense in front that is intended to project light to the Boyce moto meter on the radiator cap--I will send pictures soon
I should have said--the griffin is a protector from evil--oops
Also--I have the options list for ordering the faultless body, if anyone would like a copy--it includes to my surprise, celluloid sheets that I believe were used to cover the dash and interior firewall--this car has one--I thought it was probably a later addition--but now suspect it could have been originally there--additionally, you could buy Rajo heads as an option too
The car, according to my grandfather was owned originally by George Edward Ohr III, referred to by his father as "GEO". GEO was the 10th child of George E. Ohr Jr, the famous "Mad potter" from Biloxi Mississippi. I remember some items of my grandfather's that were probably pieces made by the "Mad potter", but I have not been able to locate those pieces. I remember the funny tokens. GEO and one of his brothers owned an Auto Repair Shop and junk yard in Biloxi next to the Pottery Shop that his father made famous. GEO was regarded as a mechanical genius in the automotive repair business. It has a number of speed items, and at one point had a RAJO head, trumpet exhaust pipe,
My grandfather was looking for old cars and made the trip to Biloxi and spotted the car at the Biloxi diner and tried to buy it from GEO, but he did not want to sell for sentimental reasons. I have pictures of the car with GEO's initials on the grill. I asked my grandfather when I was a kid and he told me did not save it. I have a number of photographs of the junk yard with some very rare cars buried in the weeds. After three years of effort and help from a mutual friend of my grandfather's and GEO's, my grandfather purchased the car. Luckily, my grandfather documented his find in writing on photographs of the car.
There were a number of body styles offered by Faultless--this one is called the Raceabout--I will publish the materials I have when I get a chance--All of the wood work and body are all original--it is actually in pretty good shape for its age--My grandfather referred to the grill shell as an option, and it clearly was based on the option sheet that I have
The cowl/firewall on the red car does not appear to be original because it is missing some details. Additionally the Faultless cars had straight skirts down along the chassis frame. The reproduction grill shells are missing side pieces and they should be a little longer than pictured. I would be glad to furnish some additional pictures if needed
Wayne,
Your frame looks very similar to frame inside my faultless bodied racer--what is particularly interesting is your emergency brake handle, its shape and how it is mounted--it is shortened and bent just like mine, and appears to be mounted the same way--do you have the body for it?
Mark, The red one was found half buried in the desert of Arizona near Tucson and they made up the missing pieces. The radiator shell looks sort of like a tractor shell and needs to be re-formed with a finer parting line in the center.
It has 1919 model t engine that was the original engine in the car, kent atwater ignition,special water pump--I have pictures and it matches paint and details--It has a 1926 transmission that was a frequent addition due to improved stopping ability(wider bands)--it has a number of items I am still trying to identify--all kinds of items to shorten and lower body--It has a bolt on reinforcement frame under the front radius rods--it has a WP Seng locking steering wheel, a keyless winding clock, diamond h switch, Boyce motometer temp gauge, model H, a Boyce Moto Meter Lite with jewels on the cowl, and 2" amp guage,
it has 1925-27 studebaker headlights and cowl lights, the windshield appears to be an after market item, steel tubular frame attached to wooden base, schebler manifold(needs some repair), mason jar oiler or ? that connects to manifold, it has an original radiator, the taillights are drum type with jewels on the side, the spotlight is an "Newtype" Spotlight with mirror, manufactured by Wood light mfg in Fairfield Connecticut. The spotlight is missing some parts so I looking for another one. The original carb was replaced by most recent owner
Here is a picture of the firewall
Here is a picture of my grandfather racing the car
here is an interior dash shot
here is a front view
close up of dash
Here is old pic with GEO driving--see his initials on grill--GEOhr
Here is an early picture with GEO driving--with strong resemblance to his father--you can see some of my grandfather's notes
I am looking for a triple A radiator emblem like the one pictured--it does not appear to name a town or state--it looks plain