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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:45 am:

Do we know which cars disappeared down in the depths of the sea?
There are enough interesting cars down there in the depths.
Do you have any pictures to show in the forum?

LATE IN THE EVENING, at 23:35, April 14, 1912 ran the Titanic into an iceberg and sank. The vessel, according to experts, would be "unsinkable," was on its maiden voyage between Southampton and New York.

I bought a song booklet in 1975 by an old lady who survived, who told me that she got on the boat. Can not find it now, it is written in Swedish.
Wonder if they sold it in Swedish booklets on the boat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:12 am:

I know there was a Pierce Arrow on board. Never heard of any Model T's being there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:43 am:

I believe their were also Renaults on board when she went down...Dave C.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 07:28 am:

I believe they used the Queen Mary in Long Beach for a dockside prop. LBMTC member Red Baysinger was there in his TT. It didn't matter that it was LHD, as they reversed the filming there.

I can't imagine bringing a mere flivver back to the US on that.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 07:52 am:

Here's a picture of the cargo hold drawing from a Titanic advertisement:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 08:55 am:

In front of me is "Sinking of the Titanic the World's Greatest Sea Disaster; Official Edition" published in 1912.

It was one of many books written in the year after the tragedy. The introduction, "Women and Children First!" was written by Henry Van Dyke, D.D., LL.D.

I haven't read it, but my wife did when she was 13. It has been in her family since who knows when.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Wetherbee on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 12:34 pm:

All everyone ever talks about is the Titanic this and the Titanic that.

Did anybody mention that Wednesday was the 104th anniversary of the sinking of the Battleship Maine? Nope, but you make a movie and everyone talks about it...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Wetherbee on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 12:37 pm:

Of course, no cars would have be hurt in that movie...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Paddison on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 12:39 pm:

I believe the only motor car on board Titanic at the time of sinking was a 1912 Renault CB, 35hp Town Car owned by Mr. William E. Carter who had purchased it new in France and was transporting it home to the U.S.

According to old Lloyd's of London Insurance records, Carters Renault still resides in the Titanic's hold as Carter, who survived the sinking, later filed an insurance claim for $5,000 for the car.

Many attempts have been made to find the car, but no one has been able to locate it because access to the forward 2 cargo holds is cut off by some collapsed and damaged bulkheads.

This car (found on another site) is, according to the insurance claim, was a exact duplicate to this car:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay-In Northern California on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 12:43 pm:

"I'm the king of the world"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAQDlXwDa8&feature=related


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Paddison on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 01:09 pm:

Actually Mark, this year would mark the 114th anniversary of the Battleship Maine disaster, in which 266 officers and crew lost their lives.

It is sad that this event, along with many others, are seemingly forgotten....but there are still those out there like us that do still "Remember the Maine" and the others.

The Titanic is different and has remained in the fore front of our culture over the years because even though it approaches it's 100th anniversary...the story, the emotion and the human element remains timeless and appeals to everyone regardless of social status, race or gender.

...just my $.02 :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 01:36 pm:

Here's original boarding scenes, with cars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYlc30NtRy8&feature=related

BTW, has anybody read the privacy notices on Google? I may opt out.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Spaziano on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:09 pm:

Washington A. Roebling II, one of the top brass at Mercer Automobile Company, perished on the Titanic.

This was, for all practical purposes, the beginning of the end for Mercer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:10 pm:

The Renault use in the movie was a 1914, which is very similar to a 1912. The ship used in the movie was a set built for the film and yes, all writing was reversed so the starboard side appeared to be the port side. Several model ships were built to use for the sailing and sinking scenes. The town in Wisconsin where the male lead was reported to be from did not exist in 1912. There were at least two different books published in 1912 about the sinking of the Titanic. I have several copies of each plus a 1909 issue of Scientific American with detailed illustrations of the proposed three sister ships, The Olympic, The Titanic and Britannic. The Olympic was put in service in 1911 and sailed till 1935. The Britannic was sunk in the Asianic Sea during WWI. The White Star line was located in England, but was controlled by the US House of Morgan. All The ship names of the White Star Line ended in "ic". The Whit Star Line merged with the Cunard Line and the new ship that replaced the Olympic was the Queen Mary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:15 pm:

Do those old books have any serious collector value today, Darel, or are there too many survivors? It would be timely to sell this one and get some T parts. Could it be worth as much as an E-Timer? . . :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B, Toms River NJ on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:28 pm:

Oy vey.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 03:15 pm:

I never even heard of the Battleship Maine. If I remember my history, we were not at war at the time, and the sinking did not lead us into war (if that was a U.S. ship). I think the reason everyone remembers the Titanic was because it was heralded to be "unsinkable", then on it's maiden voyage it sank!
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Bohannon on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 05:50 pm:

Sorry boys That car looks a little too pimped out for me. Rather have a T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:14 pm:

The SINKING of the TITANIC and GREAT SEA DISASTERS used to sell for about $35. I have several. I now find that on "Abe Books" some dealers want over $200 for a copy. That is because of the 100th anniversary. There is a similar book also published in 1912 of which I have several copies. I assume it brings about the same amount now. Some copies are in poor shape, so would be worth much less. There are perhaps a 100 different books on the sinking that have been published over the years. I have perhaps 20 of them. I also have a small collection of White Star line items. I will find some and post photos. as some of you know, I seem to have a bit of material frrom many topics.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:29 pm:

The loss of the Battleship Maine led to the Spanish-American War. Before the loss of the Titanic, people would reminisce about the loss of the Collins Line steamship Arctic. There's a book about its sinking titled "Women & Children Last".

I believe that the Renault on board the Titanic was bound for Minneapolis.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harris on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:44 pm:

For a fascinating story of the aftermath of the TITANIC sinking be sure to watch DOWNTON ABBEY on PBS. The story line tells of the legal aftermath of the sinking for a British family. Also--in that production the family car is a Renault and there are many Model Ts in the series.

Trivia-- How many dogs ere on the TITANIC?

One A Newfoundland--and he survived!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:51 pm:

Here is the cover of a January 1913 brochure for the White Star line. The ship pictured at the bottom is the Olympic, the sister ship of the Titanic.

Olympic


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 06:59 pm:

The Renault is reported to have been owned by Mr and Mrs Synder of Wayzata, Minnesota. Both survived the sinking. They were on the first life boat off the ship. The were on their "honeymoon". Mr Synder was the grandson of John Pillsbury, a Governor of Minnesota. Mr. Synder died in about 1955 and Mrs in about 1980.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 07:14 pm:

Norman, Norman, Norman, I am going from memory here so I could be off a little. The battleship Maine was sunk in a harbor (I think) in Cuba and led to that Spanish-American War (1898?). (I think) it was in Cuba that Teddy Roosevelt had his famous ride up San Juan Hill which eventually led to his presidency.
There was a recent study done in an effort to determine the cause of the Maine's explosion. But as I recall, it was not conclusive. It has long been held that it was struck by a mine in the harbor. Both sides of the local unrest claimed the other side was responsible. There has also been speculation that the explosion was caused by an accident in the munitions hold and we entered that war without proper cause.
Now that I have said that in the interest of historical discourse, let us see if we can avoid too much drift and rant related to things staying the same?
The Titanic's sinking is important because it directly affected so many wealthy families that the financial repercussions almost crashed the economy. It was often called the "worst disaster in maritime history", but that statement is incorrect in terms of lives lost. At "sea" as stated above was correct.
The Titanic is also very important as the worst "modern day" sinking or of a major ocean-going ship. It also led to many changes in favor of passenger safety that have undoubtedly reduced lost lives since. Truly an historic event that should be remembered. (Along with thousands of others.)
Until about fifteen years ago (a ferry boat on an inland sea, I forget the details), the sinking of the Sultana, a Mississippi Riverboat, that exploded while carrying prisoners-of-war home from the South at the end of the Civil War was the worst maritime disaster. The confirmed death toll was slightly higher than the Titanic. But an actual passenger count did not exist. Estimates run as much as 300 higher. Many of the dead simply floated on down the river and out into the gulf.
My great, great, great grandfather was one of the few hundred that did survive.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez - Templeton, CA on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 08:40 pm:

The engine shown in the movie was actually that of the Jeremiah O'Brien... A WWII liberty ship restored in the late 1970's and still berthed in San Francisco.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 09:28 pm:

The sinking of the Maine was the primary reason for the Spanish American War. It was believed at the time it was sunk by a mine that was controlled from shore therefore done on purpose. There has been an investigative program shown a couple times on TV that pretty well proves the explosion was internal caused by a fire in a coal bunker that ignited on board munitions. As far as the greatest maritime disaster, during WWII the German liner Wilhelm Gustloff was overloaded with German refugees when it was sunk in the Baltic Sea by a Russian submarine. An estimated 9,440 people were lost.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 09:29 pm:

The set was built off the coast of Mexico. The ship you see was not all there,it ended just at the edge of the loading area for the car. But the designers realized they had built the WRONG side of the ship. When this was discovered, all writing had to be reversed on every building, automobile, and even the buttons on the White Star Line uniforms, so when the image was reversed in the final print all the writing would be correct. Even the clothing buttons up on the wrong side so it would appear correct.

I saw this movie TEN times at the movie theater.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 09:59 pm:

I fell asleep watching the dvd.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Friday, February 17, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Wayne mentions the Sultana disaster, which was caused by an exploding boiler. This was the disaster touted by US Representative Oberstar as the reason for not allowing the Delta Queen steamboat (which was America's last operating authentic overnight steam sternwheeler) to continue to operate.
Ignore that the DQ has completely different boilers that can't explode the boat apart, nor that the Sultana was extremely overloaded, etc. etc.
Interesting that you have a tie into that event Wayne!
T
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Paddison on Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 02:46 am:

Darel,

Actually the Renault Towncar lost in the sinking of the Titanic was the property of a Mr. William Ernest Carter (born June 19, 1875). Mr. Carter held ticket no. 113760 and occupied staterooms no. B96 and 98.

The only auto on board, It is listed in the ship's manifest as "1 case, Renault Auto - Mr. W.E. Carter"...The case notation meaning that possibly the car was still partially disassembled and in a crate. The car had been purchased in France and was being shipped back to the Carter's home in Philadelphia.

Mr. Carter and his family survived the sinking (his wife and children in lifeboat no.4 and him self clinging to Collapsible boat C after it was swept off the boat deck as the bow went under) and afterward he filed a insurance claim of $5,000 for the Renault and $100 and $200 for the two dogs he had lost.

W.E. Carter died March 20, 1940.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 11:11 am:

And I thought history began with Henry Ford!
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey on Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 10:49 pm:

I have heard that all the cars on the loading in the Titanic movie belonged to a Model T Club lady in southern Ca.
I was involved in the making of a movie in 2005 and got to meet and worked with the head stunt man from the Titanic movie.
Since we worked together several days we had a lot of time to talk as movie making goeeeeesssssssssss veeeeeeeeeeeerrryyyy slowwwww.
The man is Roland Wilson. Known as Rolly Wilson.
I think his company is called Rollywood....someting.
Anyway he said the ocean scenes were filmed in a big water tanks they made up for the filming. It was south of Tijuana?
He said when they filmed the part where the ship was tilted so bad toward one end and people were sliding on the deck they were sending people to the hospital right and left. His words.
They would slide too fast and hit things and get hurt.
So they put the deck level, tilted the cameras and dragged folks on the deck by their ankle with a rope. That way when the got to the edge of the deck or hit something they could just stop pulling on the rope. It worked out well.
Rolly appears in the movie three times.
He is the guy that comes down the hall and gets his kid that he left hanging on a clothes hook in the hall just after the leading lady chopped the handcuffs off the leading man.
Then there is a scene where a room fills up with water and when a window breaks the water rushes out so fast it takes him out with it.
The other scene was something to do with the scene where a ship policeman shoots himself and falls in the water.
My daughter asked him to explain how the did the scene where the guy falls over the rear end of the ship and as he tumbles into the water he his a prop blade.
Rolly said, "Oh, they just spun him on a green screen". I have no idea what that means.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen Heatherly on Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 10:54 pm:

Has anybody ever heard of the Mary Rose. It was a british war ship that sunk in the 1545. Several years ago they were able to recover part of the ship and a lot of artifacts.
Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Saturday, February 18, 2012 - 11:31 pm:

Aaron,
A "Green Screen" is just what it sounds like; you film the person with an entire green background. the resulting film (film, in this day?)can then have the background filled with whatever the editor wishes. The TV weatherman uses this technique when you see him/her standing in front of a map of the storm area.
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 12:53 am:

The sinking of the Empress of Ireland in 1914 was slightly worse than the titanic, but since nobody rich was on board, those poor souls get virtually no attention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garrett on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 02:09 am:

Then in 1915 there was the Lusitania that sank. It was mostly full of rich people, and Thomas B. Jeffery's (the person who founded the Thomas B. Jeffery Company, the people who made the Original Rambler) son was on board the Lusitania but survived and sold the company to Charles Nash. The Lusitania was not as bad as the Titanic, but still got plenty of attention.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BOB TREVAN on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 03:21 am:

From what i was always told there was a consignment of new cars called ADAMS on board . There moto was ''PEDALS TO PUSH--THATS ALL''


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley near Melboune Australia on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 03:29 am:

You are right Garrett, the sinking of the Lusitania altered public opinion about the war and helped bring America into it.

Stephen, I believe that the now recovered Mary Rose is being preserved. Nobody made a film about that one going down at the time or AFAIK since.

One that I do have a slight connection with is the Athenia. She was the first marine casualty of WW2, sunk on 1st September 1939. Her Captain was a man named Cook, who survived the sinking and became master on her sister ship, the Letitia. Letitia was an armed merchantman during the war, then converted as a troop carrier, and after the war took war brides to Canada and then was on the run to Australia and New Zealand, by then renamed the SS Empire Brent. That was the ship that brought me to Oz., still under the command of Cook. Later she was re-named the Captain Cook in honour of the other Cook. Oh, and as far as I know, there were no T's on board the Athenia when she was sunk!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 03:59 am:


Here we see the sister ship OLYMPIC built, next to the TITANIC


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ake Osterdahl on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 04:03 am:

Damage to the hull of the Olympic after being rammed by HMS Hawke on September 20, 1911.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bede Cordes, New Zealand on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 04:12 am:

The Mary Rose was Henry VIII's ship and her hulk or the half that's left of it now resides in a special climate controlled building/room in the Naval yard at Portsmouth, UK. I visited her a couple of years ago and it is amazing to see. Funny how us T'ers have similar interests in common, I like the Titanic too.

maryrose

Regards,
Bede


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 11:55 am:

Notice the popped rivets in the Olympic's hull plates and supporting members. One of the theories on the Titanic's loss is the brittle rivets that just popped, making the hole/gash worse.
Neat photos.
Yes, it is interesting how many diverse interests we T folks share!
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 01:38 pm:

I think that a study has been conducted that determined that the steel plates were made of inferior material and that the salt water reacted to this and allowed the rivets to become loose. The Titanic search team had a side of the hull within sight of daylight when a cable snapped sending it back 3 miles to the bottom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 01:39 pm:

I saw on TV a while back they found the German submarine rammed and sunk by Olympic. Nasty propeller gashes.
Also the Brittanic was originally named Gigantic, but after the Titanic disaster was prudently renamed.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Wetherbee on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 12:56 pm:

Teach me to go on a rant - Yes, the Maine sank 114 years ago last Wednesday I should have done the math before posting... I have a number of trinkets relating to her including a photograph of her crows-nest sticking out of Havana harbor. It is sad that some history is either re-written or forgotten over time.

I think the major reason behind the Titanic disaster having held on is the vast number of the very wealthy who died at the time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 01:40 pm:

Part of the Maine, I believe the crow's nest, is at Arlington national Cemetery with remains of some of the crew.
Some things get glossed over or buried because of dirty little secrets that need to stay hidden. There are still documents regarding the Lusitania that are classified. The Titanic had no such problems, all the blunders were made by White Star. She was the Crown Jewell of transatlantic travel on her maiden voyage, stuffed with the rich and famous. There was immediate interest in the story that has never really abated. My great grandmother told me of the day her father took her to the dock to see Carpathia come in with the survivors.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Bishop-San Diego, CA on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 02:36 pm:

The car used in the movie (the 1914 Renault?) is in a small car museum in San Diego, CA on El Cajon Blvd I've been told. Haven't seen it yet. Maybe Norm knows where?
The traveling exhibit of relics recovered from the Titanic sinking is on display at the Museum of National History in San Diego (Balboa Park) until Sept 9, 2012. Has original relics recovered, plus recreations of the First and Second Class suites.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 04:20 pm:

I've been there. I think it is near 70th st on the south side of El Cajon Blvd. I could find it if I were going along the Blvd. Some others in the San Diego club likely know exactly where and even the owners name.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 06:25 pm:

There was a new Titanic documentary shown this past week on the Discovery channel. Likely will be shown again. It's new, just released this month. Nothing new as to cause of sinking but some insight into some of the characters and additional details on sequence of events. Pretty well done.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis - SE Georgia on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 07:48 pm:

I think they have pretty well proven the Lusitania was carrying munitions to England. As the story goes, German intelligence knew this and if so, the sinking was justified.

Then there's this cruise ship captain over in Italy that tripped and fell into a life boat and couldn't get back on board to coordinate the rescue effort.....I don't know how he can live with himself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lawrence J. Bohlen on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 07:50 pm:

Erik,

The main mast is at Arlington. The fore mast at the Naval Academy in Annapolis.

From Wiki:

The explosion-bent fore mast of Maine is located at the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland,[46] causing a traditional in-joke among midshipmen that Maine, with its main mast in Arlington National Cemetery (Northern Virginia) and its fore mast in Annapolis, is the "longest ship in the Navy".[47]

Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 09:34 pm:

Larry,
Thanks for the correction, it's been a while since I was there. I remember being humbled by being so close to the final resting place of those who gave all for freedom.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 09:50 pm:

How do they serve alcoholic drinks on Italian cruise ships? On the rocks.

What's the fastest way to get off an Italian cruise ship? Follow the captain.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Myers on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 10:09 pm:

Since there are still bodies on that ship I know this is in poor taste.

For that special evening on an Italian Cruise.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks_-_Surf_City on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 02:12 am:

Just got home from "Hugo." They are pimping 3D re-do of Titanic, release in April.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Friday, June 08, 2012 - 08:50 pm:

I recently saw the Titanic re-release and since I was recovering from a broken leg, I sat through the credits at the end of the movie, waiting for the theatre to empty and saw where the 1912 Renault in the famous lovemaking scene was made by "Adams Custom Engines" of Reno, Nevada. It was a shell made of sheet metal on a Model T chassis and had no mechanical parts whatsoever. I went to www.adamscustomengines.com/aboutus.htm and it tells about it in the "about us" section where it took them 60 days to make it. It was made to be destroyed in the flooding scene and it was. It no longer exists. http://jalopnik.com/1912-renault/.

As for the Battleship Maine. In 1910, under pressure from the Cuban Government to remove the Maine from the Havana Harbor and under pressure from the family members to recover the bodies in the Maine, legislation was enacted to salvage the Maine. A coffer dam was built around the remains of the battleship and the water pumped out so the Maine was on dry ground on the bottom of Havana Harbor. During this salvage operation all of the questions were answered. Read about it at www.spanamwar.com/mainsalv.htm.

Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Friday, June 08, 2012 - 10:53 pm:

A bit off topic but nice to know I can still rile up my son. A couple of years ago we got rain for the Old Car Festival. My wife and I put up the side curtains and sat inside my '16 for most of the storm. I was sitting in the back seat and saw my son approaching across the field. As he walked by the car, I threw the palm of my hand against the back window which was full of condensation. This provided a perfect mimic of the Renault scene in Titanic.

He yelled, "That is so wrong Mom and Dad!" and disappeared.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Saturday, June 09, 2012 - 10:25 am:

That is interesting. There have been several stories about the auto in the movie. It is good to get the clear scoop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Saturday, June 09, 2012 - 10:28 am:

There is the possibility that the auto on the pier was a real car and the one in the hold was the replica shell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Saturday, June 09, 2012 - 10:51 am:

Yes. In the story in the "Jalopnik" link I posted, it says there were several real Renaults used in the movie, but the one in the hold was the replica as it was made to be destroyed in the sinking scenes. Jim Patrick


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