today I bought a very stock 1916 engine for $100 bucks.It has A crack under the water jacket but it looks like it was rebuilt before that happened.
Good on ya John!
John, I agree good buy but I still see original cast 2 piece valves and old cast iron pistons. I do not mean to be negitive but what's rebuilt. If this was a engine I was going to run I would replace the valves as those can come apart and destroy a good engine. Trust me this is a lesson I learned the hard way and will never forget.
The pan was worth more than you gave for it.Good score.
I learned a little more about this engine today and the car it came from. The car was purchased new in Paso Robles and was only driven a few times. The original owner was an old farmer and never got the hang of automobiles. The car was parked in a barn in the 40's after the engine was "reconditioned" by the local Ford dealer. In the 60's the son got it running again and drove it in a few parades then parked it again. Unfortunately he failed to drain the cooling system, which caused the freeze damage. About ten years ago the son decided to get it going again and discovered the damage. He found a '26 engine to replace this one and gave the engine to the man I bought it from. It has been sitting in a tight shop ever since.
The casting data is 2-16-16 it has the original crank case and aluminum hogs head. The pedal shafts show no wear and the pedal cams look brand new. It has cotton bands which show little wear. The valve guides are tight and the cylinders show no scoring or ring land. It turns over nicely and the bores show no rust. The engine is clean inside and appears to have been well cared for.
It has a new (NOS) Anderson timer and flipper, again no wear.
I plan to remove the crank case this weekend to inspect the bearings. The crack in the water jacket looks easy to repair.
More to follow with pics... John
It's interesting with an aluminum hogs head on a 1916 engine. Bruce thought all 1916 model had cast iron. Are any of the pedals ribbed?
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1915-16H.htm
If you look at the picture of #1,000,000, it is an aluminum hogs head. While this is December (10) of 1915, it IS a '16 model year car.
So my Dec. 10, 1915 car also has an aluminum hogs head, although I do have an early cast iron one on hand. Why do I say my car is also 12/10/15? Because it's only 28 motors before!
T'
David D.
PS. The ribbed pedals weren't used very long, even the picture of 1,000,000 has smooth pedals.
This engine has smooth pedals but an aluminum hogs head. I can't be sure it came that way... but if it was changed it must have been very early on. The serial # is 1,150,XXX (I put it on the stand before writing down the #) Which would make it a March 21 car build date. The transmission out put shaft reads 1.515 and shows no scoring or wear. So I don't think the hogs head was changed due to problems, and there is still some paint on the pedal faces!
We'll see what the lower end looks like this weekend. - John.
Man, this is smelling like a dozen red roses!
Wowziers! My aluminum hogs head also has plain pedals, so that's not uncommon.
T'
David D.
I have 16's with both, cast and aluminum (Canadian builds)
John,
You may want to see if the transmission stub shaft is dated. If so, it should show about 5-8 days before the build date, by serial number, of the engine. Just confirms the build date and that the engine and transmission are very likely all an original assembly. Stub shaft date may be the only actual date on the drive train.
I have a car with 7-11-13 on the stub shaft with a serial numbered engine #312,4XX that indicated a 7-17-13 build date. Casting was four weeks before in June 1913.
Ken in Texas
I have read and I believe the'16 aluminum hogs head came without the reenforcing ribs at the outermost corner bolt holes. I have seen several of these covers with smooth pedals being passed of as '11-'12 covers. Bruces Encyclopedia is unclear on this. Do you guys with original '16 aluminum covers have ribs?
Mine has ribs around the bolt holes. But I cannot vouch that it was on the car when it left the factory!