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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 09:44 pm:

Words have meanings. Names for things may sound a bit weird, but in some cases there is a reason for those names.

I've been reassessing my sanity since I traded off a complete set of wire wheels and hubs for a set of split rims and questionable wooden wheels. You see I have a photo of my 1927 pickup taken in 1927 and that is what Henry personally put onto the car at the factory.

After working on the wheels for two days, making some tools, breaking my vintage spreader and still not getting the first tire onto the car I found myself exploring vocabulary I usually eschew. Worried that my spouse would inquire as to my dissertation I decided to think about those funny little nuts I used to afix my wire wheels with.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 09:52 pm:

Ever post before you are through composing? Sorry....

Those nuts are called lug nuts. Even today:


See, LUG NUTS!

Why are they "Lug nuts"?

Here is my thought, all comes clear with this photo:




I figure that rim lugs have a close relation to the derivation of the name "Lug Nut"... of course it doesn't explain why people are calling ma a Lug Nut!


To help me in trying to spread my rims I built up a quick little tool using garden gate parts:

Parts:


modify the lag screw:


Weld together and put into use:


Voila... Horlick Spreader V1.0


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 09:59 pm:

Terry, with the absolute greatest respect, I would suggest that "entomology" is the study of insects, and "etymology" is the study of words...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike D, Williamsburg VA on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:00 pm:

Terry, My rim spreader is a little more "low tech"
Just a turn buckle and a piece of all-thread rod.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:13 pm:

Dick, you get a star for figuring out where I was headed.

Mike, I can't figure out how that would work for me. I have broken a cast iron spreader and by the time I get the tire wrestled into the rim it is way out of round. I would love if my rims would work with a thin little thing like that but it takes every bit of strength in that tool I made to spread these rims... even so I can only get one side to match up. It is very frustrating.

Years ago I timed myself changing a tire on the split rims on my 1929 Buick... they are massive compared to these rims... 15 minutes from start to finish with a new tube installed. Sure beats 2 days and at least 8 hours to get one Ford wheel changed... and end up with a bent rim.

There must be something I'm doing wrong (besides my spelling, Dick!).

TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:23 pm:

Dick,
I think Terry was just trying to say some times working on rust can drive you a little Buggy.
Just my opinion.
Dean


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:26 pm:

Hub cap is another one.
Today they are wheel covers. We still have hub caps on the front wheels of rear wheel drive cars & trucks but the big covers are not hub caps.

Today's wheels are often called rims. They are more than rims.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley Near Melbourne Australia on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 06:05 am:

I sympathize with you, Terry. In my experience the well-base wire T and A wheels, accept their 4.50 x 21 tyres with ease. A pity you changed them.

Your lug nut theory sounds very plausible, but strangely enough it was not a term used here in Oz as far as I know.

Aaron, I wholeheartedly agree about hub caps, and also about rims. Younger people here talk about the 'rims' on their cars when they really mean 'wheels' and can't understand when I point out that 'rim' is only the part that the tyre fits onto.

Language is a funny thing, but I am sure that older people are more likely to use the correct name or word than younger ones. I have heard that a lot of young people have use only about half of the vocabulary that a person over fifty has at his command.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 07:06 am:

Terry, how old are those tires?

I barely overheard a guy in his mid-30s talking to his mother the other day. I think he just got out of prison, and two of every three words were F'in'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 11:32 am:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/6238095576/in/set-72157626000460895/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 12:37 pm:

RD, 1-5 years.

Erich, I made up a set of those and ended up bending the rim with them also. I found that they fit nicely at first but the rim distorts when you start spreading it and they end up cracking because of the new rim shape.

Terry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eugene Adams on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 03:22 pm:

jump Jumping Jehosaphat
I jumped for joy when I saw the website that Erich inserted. It would be interesting to know how it managed to get on Flicker.

This is the post where I had entered it in 2005. There might be some added comments on it.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/5785.html

Gene in Virginia Beach


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 03:46 pm:

Eugene, that is my flickr account where I store all of my pictures. I take a ton of photos and also collect usefull images from sources like this forum or other sources that I copy for my information.

Check this out...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/sets/

This is a link to all the albums in my account. Not all T, but many are. Look all you want.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 04:35 pm:

Like Terry I also have a fascination with the origin of words.

I can be very slow sometimes and it wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized the origin of the word "car" had to come from a shortning of the work "carriage" or perhaps "horseless carriage"

Now be honest - how many of you ever made that connection?

Also interesting is the huge number of words and expressions that we use and have an origin in our seafaring background i.e. "there will be the devil to pay", "no room to swing a cat", etc.

Its a fun hobby! (Not as fun as driving and working on my T tho).

Cheers
schuh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 04:59 pm:

Schuh, perhaps, but I think I'd be more inclined to say that "car" and "carriage" share a common origin, although it's certainly also possible that the "extension to 'automobile' in 1896" came from a shortening of "carriage.".

"c.1300, "wheeled vehicle," from O.N.Fr. carre, from L. carrum, carrus (pl. carra), originally "two-wheeled Celtic war chariot," from Gaulish karros (cf. Welsh carr "cart, wagon," Breton karr "chariot"), from PIE *krsos, from root *kers- "to run." Extension to "automobile" is 1896. Car bomb first 1972, in reference to Northern Ireland."

In Dutch, a "kar" is a "cart or barrow."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Berch on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 04:59 pm:

Dash board was from the buggy trade. The shield on the front that keeps road debris, horse discharge etc when the horse is dashing. Trunk, self explanatory. Running boards I think came from the walk ways along the Gunwales on pole barges. I'm sure there's others. Oh, and of course "Tighter than Kelsey's nuts" that we all thought was a naughty term.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 05:00 pm:

Terry,
When I saw the title of the thread, I though you had found termites in your T!
I do have and think I can find my rim spreader (I usually don't even use it with T 21 inch rims). I could also give you a hand if you need an extra.
If you didn't go to the Sacramento swap meet today, you didn't miss much, except Jay from Northern CA was hoping you would wander by.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 06:15 pm:

On my T I showed my wife's daughter where the term Floor Boards came from. "Oh, that makes sense but why do they still call them floor boards?"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adrian Whiteman, New Zealand on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 07:30 pm:

Thanks for the picture link Erich, there are some fabulous photos in there,
Cheers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 07:47 pm:

There's something about that title that still bugs me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gilbert V. I. Fitzhugh on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 08:19 pm:

I like to ask little kids whether they've heard of blowing the horn. Of course, they all have. Then I show them the horn on whatever oldie I have with me, and how it looks just like a horn in the school band. Then I blow it. Then I let them blow it. Sometimes they won't blow it until Daddy blows it first to prove it's safe. Sometimes, if they're really little kids, they need a bit of help to get a good blow. But then they have grins from ear to ear.

Gil Fitzhugh, Morristown, NJ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 09:22 pm:

If I want to FLOG my model T does that mean I have to run along side and whip it with a cat-of ninetails?
I never thought about running boards before.
I always thought dashboard was sort of out of place on a car.
It reminds me of the guy who asked his daughter's boyfriend, "Are you the guy that done the pushin, left the grease spots on the cushion, and the footprints on the DASHBOARD up side down?
GRILL is often miss used too.
The radiator shell of a model T or A is not a grill. There are always model A & T grills on T bay.
Did you ever push the GAS?
How do you put an automatic transmission in GEAR??
A car backed into me, I tried to BLOW my horn but I was out of breath.


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