10 YEAR PROJECT

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2012: 10 YEAR PROJECT
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 06:48 pm:

I decided to show an ongoing old project some daylight today. Its not a show car, just one to drive and display from time to time. 21 chassis,
1917 body,and 2002 Livengood 4X4 unit. I'm not going to restore it much more,just some kind of upholstery and a top. Making sure that its safe to drive and wala a fun project and conversation piece. It has a two speed warford direct and under drive, should go anywhere.

Bob






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Halpin on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 07:00 pm:

That's cool. Not a whole lot of Model T 4X4's floating around. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 08:57 pm:

Way to go Bob. There are a lot of ways to have fun with a T and it looks like you have found yours.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Ostbye on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 01:15 am:

Pretty cool Bob. I live not too far from you I wouldn't mind seeing that thing in person some day. Maybe you can come touring with us sometime.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mattthew G California on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 01:49 am:

What do you mean by 2002 unit?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 04:20 am:

Matthew, Jesse R. Livingood (= the son of the inventor Jesse F. L.) made some units in recent years - don't know if he's still active?
livingood
(Photo by Erich Bruckner)
Here you can see a Livingood equipped T in action in Spokane, Wa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmHoUKq0sC8


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 11:47 am:

Matthew
Roger is correct that the son and maybe the grandson is producing them. A few years back I found a 4X4 kit that was from the early 90s and never assembled and sold it to some one in Mont.
There is no records of how many have been made or where they were shipped to,Pattent date is 1917. Can give you contact info. if you would like it.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bernard, San Buenaventura, Calif on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 12:10 pm:

A perfect Tee for snowy or extremely muddy roads. Even as a black-only fanatic, I must say here the green color works extremely well!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Harrison,Norco Ca on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 02:47 pm:

Bob,I would like the contact information please


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J Berch on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 02:58 pm:

Bob, I'm not nitpicking about color but I'm just curious. Were they originally green?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 11:30 pm:

J Berch
There color was a more blue green, but I like Forest green and it makes them stand out and helps ID's the 4X4 parts.

George
Here is the last information that I have as of 2007. He will provide information and price on request.
Jessie R Livengood
104 Stringtown Rd.
Graysville, Pa. 15337
PH.724-428-3618

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Harrison,Norco Ca on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 11:55 pm:

Bob,thanks for the info.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dare - Victoria Australia on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 04:22 am:

Bob, did you do the body skeleton as well??, thats a fun job ....."not"
Looks good.

David.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Eubanks, Powell, TN on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 08:30 am:

Hello Bob, tell us about gear selection. See two levers in the floor, is one a in and out for 4wd and the other a low and high range like a jeep? I would think aux brakes would be a good option to add.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis in San Jose area, CA. on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 10:52 am:

I suspect that drive train inefficiency and rolling resistance should eat up most of the 20 HP. Wonder how well it works?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 11:47 am:

Dave
The body was a good find,it had been re wooded
and as you see it. A 90 year old person had done the work and wasn't going to complete it. He also gave me two trailer and three pickup loads of parts.

Jim
You'r correct on the shifters,and I'm looking for aux. small drum rear breaks. It could slip into neutral real easy. Will try to make some sort of lock on the shifting lever also.

John
I think you'r right,there should be a lot of drag but it roles easy to move around. My main concern is driving it on HARD pavement when turning and the amount of slippage needed with
the front axle. I'll not drive it much unless on dirt like the roads of the time.
It still boggles the mind of the modern Four wheelers when they see it.I get the same affect to the modern snowmobilers' when they see the one I have. It makes the hobby even more interesting.


Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Dexter, MN on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 12:04 pm:

That is very cool!

Can the front axle be disengaged, or is there always power to the front axle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rik Van on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 03:54 pm:

Hi Bob,
as usual your cars are really cool! My buddies Earl and Ken in Cawston would love this machine as their T's spend most of the time on billy goat trails up in the mountains!
- Rik

p.s. thanks again for your help and support with my T wood project. I'm learning that wood working is a lot harder(frustrating) than it looks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 01:18 pm:

Derek
Just got back on. Thanks to the other MTFCI forum for there help.
Yes there is an in out in the transfer case , here is a pic. of the inside.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 11:11 am:

Bump for Derek

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John McGinnis in San Jose area, CA. on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 11:23 am:

Although I think it is a neat installation and system, I wonder about the front end geometry and the conflict in arcs between the torque tube and the wishbone. Seems like there will be stress on something. But then the T is forgiving for almost anything.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 11:35 am:

I think it's a really neat car!! I have a couple of thoughts/questions:

1. The front differential has a 2 speed Warford in what I assume is a T differential. The rear differential appears to be a standard T rear end. Doesn't that create a problem when the front differential in in low and the rear differential is just regular ratio?

2. Are the differentials modified or in some way different than standard? What I'm thinking is that if the differentials are basically "standard" wouldn't that mean when you start slipping and sliding you'd actually have two wheel drive, one front and one rear?

Thanks for posting the pictures. It sure does provide some food for creative thought!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kerry van Ekeren (Australia) on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 05:57 pm:

The Warford would be on the back of the ford trans, then the 4x4 transfer case.
all 4x4's had just the standard diff centres until of late with the adding of LSD's or diff locks etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 06:58 pm:

Love the front floor boards Bob. Made my own too out of Poplar I had laying around. Now here's the question and it concerns the rear board. I followed what was there and it covers the whole floor just as yours does. It also has a 1" hole centered on the long edge about 2" back from the edge for easier lifting. I've been told it's wrong. That it's supposed to sit in the recess provided in the steel body section. Whose right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Friday, April 27, 2012 - 10:58 am:

John
I wondered that also, that is why I believe it's better to drive on a soft surface like the dirt roads of yesteryear.

Henry
Kerry is correct on both counts.

Charlie
I don't know, I added the hole for easy access to the battery if needed. It works for me.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Friday, April 27, 2012 - 07:05 pm:

Bob When are we going wheelin! I am a little confused why this setup won't work on pavement. As most 4x4's does this has open diffs?(ring,pinion not locked up) and the same gear ratio front and rear. also didn't you say it has a in and out transfer case? Have you ever tried driving this car on pavement or talked to any other 4x4 T owners about this? Just curious. This summer me and another T friend are planning some off road advetures with T's possibly finding away over the pass by bypassing I90 via old gravel roads. You intrested?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike conrad on Friday, April 27, 2012 - 07:29 pm:

Opps! "(ring,pinion not locked up)" That does not make sense. What I mean to say the spider gears in the differential are not locked up. long day.
also forgot you used to own my offroad T It's the rusty green 24' cutoff touring that you sold Stan Great car.


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