Better be home before midnight in that one. ;)
Thanks Herb.
John
That is a dolled up T
LHD??????
It is RHD.
Nice car though, we've seen those before. Australian isn't it?
I think it is English. Perhaps our UK friends can chime in...Dave C.
The curved rear fenders on a pre 1915 car and right hand drive would suggest that it is English.
What is the car behind? There is just the radiator and a little of the windscreen and one side-light, but that is a very Ford-looking radiator with the manual commencer passing through the radiator core.
Car behind looks like a model 'N'...
A quick Google search shows that Pamlin Prints of Croydon (a suburb just south of London) is still in the photography business, but they are known for collectable postcards from at least as far back as the fifties.
The shape of the front panel under the windscreen looks like that of an English Runabout from 1915, but the curves along the top of the door and around the seat do not match the factory cars. And the double curve front guards with flat tops are not Manchester factory either.
As there were many English coachbuilders around at that time, and the good folks who compiled the 'English Model T Ford' did not include non-factory cars (that would be another book alone) I have been digging for more information on these rarer versions, some of them no doubt one-offs.
If I find anything similar I will get back on here.
Chris M.
Herb,
Great photo -- thanks for posting it.
First the easy part: It has the one piece front spindles on the front axle a typical 1909-early 1911 feature. Ref: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/F-H.htm#fr1 On January 31 (#36,972) the new axle with the two-piece spindles appeared. -- they would have used up ,many of the older one piece front spindles].
The easy part -- low radiator neck with the winged script on the tank would make it a 1909-1910 in the USA. No reinforcement bar on the radiator for a USA car would make it before mid-year, 1910, when the higher filler neck and the addition of the support bar across the lower part of the radiator core. ref: http://mtfca.com/encyclo/P-R.htm#rad Tires appear to be two different sizes most likely 30 x 3 1/2 in the rear and 30 x 3 in front. If that is the case – it would rule out a Canadian produced chassis unless the wheels had been swapped out after it left the factory.
Based on that probably a RHD USA chassis supplied to England and fitted with a UK body and fenders. The Manchester England branch did not begin manufacturing until Oct 1911 which would be after the car in the photo was produced.
Another good clue the copyright logo. Which links the post card back to a UK firm. If you Google that firm and even the title of the card – there is even one for sale in South Africa.
The only thing that would take away from that guess – is the lack of a front license plate. Of the several photos of early Model Ts and even earlier Fords they all had a front license plate in the “English Model T Ford” book with the exception of the new cars being assembled and the one race car. On the cover of the English Model T Ford book they have a car with the registration pained on the radiator but it still has the front license plate attached to the front axle (a 1912 car).
And yes, the car behind the T is a Model N,R,S, or SR -- in addition to the shape of the radiator you can clearly see the distinct water pump at the lower part of the radiator. I cannot tell if the dash is flat or if it has the rounded cowl of the SR. The cars appear to be in front of a dealer and/or parts supply location based on the window displays.
Respectfully submitted,
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